Hey Dan..... and I enjoyed the story....
your answering questions adds a ton of credibility to this list and I
honestly appreciate it... neat place this has turned out to be....
Keith
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> From: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> To: saltracer@awwwsome.com
> Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: /MS rules
> Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:47 AM
>
> A lot of technology has transpired in the 25 or so years of the incident
I
> mentioned. Also, as in life people change - the top officials for
SCTA/BNI
> have rotated out. I think you may find that the impound process is more
> professional now than last century. I only sited the Elmo deal as a story
> not procedure.
>
> Dan W
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thomas E. Bryant <saltracer@awwwsome.com>
> To: Lawrence E. & Cathy R. Mayfield <lemay@hiwaay.net>
> Cc: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>; <kturk@ala.net>;
> <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 7:13 AM
> Subject: Re: /MS rules
>
>
> > Group,
> >
> > In days of old, there was a no mans land of 1 cubic in between classes
> > which always irritated me. (An engine is either in one class or the
> > other) When I entered the 200 Mph Club, because my engine had been
honed
> > a few times, measured a strong 305, but less than 305.1. I was grumbLed
> > at by the late Bruce Johnson. We proceeded to prepare another block
> > before running again. Since that time more sensibility has prevailed
and
> > allowed anything under 306 as legal. I think that cooling an engine to
> > keep it inside that limit would be a bit overkill though.
> >
> > Tom, Redoing CA #216 D/L
> >
> > "Lawrence E. & Cathy R. Hayfield" wrote:
> > >
> > > This smacks of bending the rules the wrong way. SInce the records are
> set
> > > with the engine running and HOT, it should be measured that way.
Sounds
> > > like the rules were interpreted just to make it leagal. If not, then
the
> > > rules shoudl do away with the ambiguity and make it mandatory that
all
> > > engines are measured at the same temperature, say ambient.
> > >
> > > mayf
> > >
> > > At 05:47 AM 2/15/00 -0800, Dan Warner wrote:
> > > >We had to cool Elmo Gillette's block one year, it was that close on
> size.
> > > >Ice water and several hours of cool down time got him a record.
> > > >
> > > >Dan W
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>
> > > >To: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 5:03 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: /MS rules
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Works for me... that little bit helps alot.... Now the Dry Ice is
a
> new
> > > >> deal that is interesting.....K
> > > >>
> > > >> ----------
> > > >> > From: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> > > >> > To: kturk@ala.net
> > > >> > Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > >> > Subject: Re: /MS rules
> > > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:54 AM
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Keith,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > You are allowed out to 305.999999.... It looks like we will have
> dry ice
> > > >> the
> > > >> > block when it is measured.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Dan W
> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > From: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>
> > > >> > To: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> > > >> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 1:53 PM
> > > >> > Subject: Re: /MS rules
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Hey Dan.... I am putting together this combination for this
> year...
> > > >and
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > best I can come up with is a 305.11 cubic inch is there any
> margin for
> > > >> > > error here? The only other option I can think of is to cheat
one
> of
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > cylinders and spend bout 200 dolllars on a sleeve and separate
> > > >> piston....
> > > >> > > any thoughts? Keith
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ----------
> > > >> > > > From: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> > > >> > > > To: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > >> > > > Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > >> > > > Subject: Re: /MS rules
> > > >> > > > Date: Monday, February 14, 2000 9:45 AM
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > The body must remain stock from the FIREWALL back. Doors
back
> is too
> > > >> > far,
> > > >> > > > can't mod the cowl area. Each vehicle is different though,
the
> doors
> > > >> > > might
> > > >> > > > be at the firewall on the 924. I don't pretend to know every
> car
> > > >ever
> > > >> > > made,
> > > >> > > > that's why I need documentation in impound.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Dan W
> > > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > > From: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > >> > > > To: George Mitchell <americanpartner@yahoo.com>; Dan Warner
> > > >> > > > <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> > > >> > > > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > >> > > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 7:12 AM
> > > >> > > > Subject: /MS rules
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > George
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > I believe its like /CC. You can modify the front end in
/MS
> as
> > > >long
> > > >> as
> > > >> > > the
> > > >> > > > > body is original from the doors back. Might as well
stretch
> it to
> > > >> 130"
> > > >> > > > > WB...to improve handling, and chop the top...to improve
> frontal
> > > >> area,
> > > >> > > > while
> > > >> > > > > your at it.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > John Beckett, LSR #79
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > > > From: "George Mitchell" <americanpartner@yahoo.com>
> > > >> > > > > To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>; "Dan Warner"
> > > >> > > <dwarner@electrorent.com>;
> > > >> > > > > "Richard Kensicki" <richk@sparta-junction.com>
> > > >> > > > > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > >> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 9:54 AM
> > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: Thanks for Opel GT Input
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Hey list,
> > > >> > > > > > It sounds like I picked the right class. Lots of
> > > >> > > > > > competition. Still waiting on the rule book but...
> > > >> > > > > > The Porsche body that I am building is a '78. It has
> > > >> > > > > > what can only be described as sort of a "dirty" nose
> > > >> > > > > > there is a plastic bumper out there and a lower
> > > >> > > > > > valance that would surely put air underneath the car
> > > >> > > > > > at speed.
> > > >> > > > > > I could update the front with parts that I have for
> > > >> > > > > > the later Euro Turbo car ('85) which has a hidden
> > > >> > > > > > bumper and more of a scoopped or staight appearance
> > > >> > > > > > (think Nascar front end).
> > > >> > > > > > With the liberal aero rules in M/S would this
> > > >> > > > > > "updating" be legal? This would be easier for me and
> > > >> > > > > > the modification would be quick and have somewhat
> > > >> > > > > > proven aero.
> > > >> > > > > > George in DC
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > --- Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net> wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > > Yep Dan..... John Rains didn't ruin D/B/Galt.... he
> > > >> > > > > > > simply moved the record
> > > >> > > > > > > out of my pocket book.... I don't have to have his
> > > >> > > > > > > car to go that fast... I
> > > >> > > > > > > got to have his MOTOR.... and sans that.... Might as
> > > >> > > > > > > well build a MS... and
> > > >> > > > > > > Have at it... I am not building a Berkley... I am
> > > >> > > > > > > going to build a
> > > >> > > > > > > Bugeye... little bigger but not enough that a little
> > > >> > > > > > > HP won't make up for
> > > >> > > > > > > it....
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > Look at Doug Odom.... his Bugeye just got in the Two
> > > >> > > > > > > Club....K
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > ----------
> > > >> > > > > > > > From: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> > > >> > > > > > > > To: Richard Kensicki <richk@sparta-junction.com>
> > > >> > > > > > > > Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > >> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Thanks for Opel GT Input
> > > >> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, February 14, 2000 7:15 AM
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > Richard,
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > The answer to your question re: the Benham & Carr
> > > >> > > > > > > Berkley on the 2000
> > > >> > > > > > > > rulebook cover is easy. The M/S class is
> > > >> > > > > > > currently/probably the class
> > > >> > > > > > > most
> > > >> > > > > > > > open for innovation. A small base vehicle which
> > > >> > > > > > > was sold as a sports car,
> > > >> > > > > > > > 130" wb, any frame, and liberal aero make for some
> > > >> > > > > > > strange bed fellows.
> > > >> > > > > > > > Engine size aside, as long as an entrant can
> > > >> > > > > > > provide documentation as to
> > > >> > > > > > > the
> > > >> > > > > > > > availability of the base car and the stock
> > > >> > > > > > > dimensions so that impound can
> > > >> > > > > > > > verify the legality of the car, that would make
> > > >> > > > > > > Leonard Carr's car (no
> > > >> > > > > > > pun
> > > >> > > > > > > > intended) one of the best choices for class. As in
> > > >> > > > > > > the past the uproar
> > > >> > > > > > > that
> > > >> > > > > > > > this vehicle has destroyed the class "everyone has
> > > >> > > > > > > to have one" is in the
> > > >> > > > > > > > wind. When Ron Benham first brought out his Monza
> > > >> > > > > > > then the Crosley that
> > > >> > > > > > > Earl
> > > >> > > > > > > > Wooden currently runs the cry was the same. As you
> > > >> > > > > > > can see other racers
> > > >> > > > > > > have
> > > >> > > > > > > > found ways to compete and set records in various
> > > >> > > > > > > classes against these
> > > >> > > > > > > cars
> > > >> > > > > > > > without using the body dujour.
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > What are your questions regarding the legality of
> > > >> > > > > > > the Berkley? Maybe I
> > > >> > > > > > > can
> > > >> > > > > > > > help.
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > Dan W
> > > >> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > > > > > > From: Richard Kensicki <richk@sparta-junction.com>
> > > >> > > > > > > > To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > >> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 4:26 PM
> > > >> > > > > > > > Subject: Thanks for Opel GT Input
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks for all the replies about a possible Opel
> > > >> > > > > > > GT for the mile. Are
> > > >> > > > > > > > > there any pictures of Bill Ward's Opel on line?
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > I keep rereading the rule book section for
> > > >> > > > > > > modified sports and then
> > > >> > > > > > > look
> > > >> > > > > > > > > at the rule book cover (2000 edition) and say
> > > >> > > > > > > (not out loud) how does
> > > >> > > > > > > > > that car run as B modified sports? I must be too
> > > >> > > > > > > legalistic.
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > Rich
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > L.E. Mayfield
> > > 124 Maximillion Drive
> > > Madison, Al. 35758-8171
> > > ph: 1-256-837-1051
> > >
> > > http://home.hiwaay.net/~lemayf
> > >
> > > lemay@hiwaay.net
> > >
> > > Sunbeam Tiger, B9471136
> > > Sunbeam Alpine Bonneville Land Speed Racer,
> > > '66 Hydroplane Drag Boat (390 FE)
> >
>
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