What years did they set up the special classes for the flatheads and
inline engines to not have to race against OHV engines? Does this also
mean that if someone likes old roadsters and Hi-tech engines that they
will have no class to run in? or that people who have built cars that
are older than a certain date will have to go back to old tech engines
in order to have a class to run in? Don't you think that the 'genie' is
already out of the bottle?
What are you going to do if you have an EFI engine class for every
engine size for both gas and fuel? Why don't we have a special class for
each car and we all can run against our own record.. I wish someone
would build a G/FL as we are lonely for someone else to race against
rather than wishing people would go away.. But then when we first went
to the salt in '92 the first words i heard in impound was oh you run
those 'chicken sh#t electronics'! I have enjoyed every time we broke a
record beyond my wildest dreams, as there are not too many GFuel open
wheel cars running over 230 with a Cosworth Pinto and EFI or any other
way for that matter.
So maybe we need a class for G, Fuel, Inline, Iron Block, Aluminum
head, Water cooled, N/A, Electronic Injection, Slide Throttle, Open
Wheel, Solid suspension, 5 Speed, Home built, Aluminum body, Post 1980,
Over 50 driver, Previous racing experience, Professional engineering
crew, Long course !
So we are now racing
a'G/F/I/IB/AH/WC/NA/EI/ST/OW/SS/5SP/HB/AB/PO80/O50D/PRERA/PEC/LC'
Ought to able to have a few different classes with that! If only use
gears 2 thru 5 maybe I could change classes.. or put a younger driver in
the car...Come on!
I like G/FL better and geez how about some company to race against...
Dahlgren.
Keith Turk wrote:
>
> Hey Kvack..... Lets kick the class around here on the list.... see what we
> can come up with..... Maybe this list can come up with something worth while
> long term....
>
> Personally I don't think the 1970 limit is the right one.... Personally I
> like the 1980 or before.... American cars didn't get that much smaller these
> years and honestly my 80 Camaro and the 53 Stude are about the same size
> car.... (both Bricks in disguise)
>
> I doubt my car would qualify as I am going to update the Fuel system this
> year.. but when I sell the car sure would be nice if someone could race it
> competitively.... Keith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Beth Butters <bbutters@dmi.net>
> To: <dferguso@ebmail.gdeb.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>; 'joe boogie'
> <boogiewoogie12@hotmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 1:08 AM
> Subject: RE: Electronics vs. old way Nastalgia class
>
> > Proposal for Nostalgia classification for Land Speed Racing at Bonniville
> Salt Flats. Intent: to preserve the diversity of vehicles in competition.
> > Rules for classification "N" nostalgia All
> classifications and safety requirements are the same as currently in use
> including any changes made in the future by SCTA/BNI for competition at
> Bonniville. For cars to be eligible for records in "N" class they must
> use automobile bodies built before 1970. All modifications allowed by SCTA
> for the various classifications are allowed except the use of electronic
> engine controls. Class records will be initially filled with current or
> past record holders with the fastest record in their various classes that
> meet the requirements for "N" class status. This is what I think is
> needed to keep the old cars running on the salt and not be pushed out of
> the arena by much more aerodynamic cars. This could be accomplished without
> the electronic restriction but I doubt if it would be quit as successful
> and wouldn't preserve the sight and sounds that so many of us lust for at
> Bonniville. If you agree with th!
> > is or a variation of this please submit a request to the timing stand at
> future SCTA/USFRA sanctioned meets and If the proposal has merit and enough
> support I'm sure it will be discussed at future rules committee meetings.
> Thanks for bearing with me on this and give it some thought. L. Kvach
> Butters #1392 BBG/Alt-CC Studebaker
> > ----------
> > From: joe boogie[SMTP:boogiewoogie12@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 9:59 AM
> > To: dferguso@ebmail.gdeb.com; land-speed@autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: Electronics vs. old way
> >
> > Doug @ Radon:
> >
> > I was'nt "whining" READ what I said.
> >
> > I was simply calling a spade a spade. I've been around long enough
> > in this racing game to know what's what, what's happened, and what will
> > happen. I have developed my opinions based on real world observations in
> the
> > last 35 years fooling with cars, racing and motorcycles.
> > I was advocating fair separation between the new technology and
> the
> > older '50s & '60s technology many people enjoy fooling around with.
> > Bonneville is not only about speed, but tradition as well....How many will
> > want to run a beautiful '32 ford coupe body for example if they know they
> > will have EFI new tech Firebirds in their class? To "bomb" their records?
> > That will effectively put the nails in the coffin of traditional body
> styles
> > as they have been for fifty years or more. There's room for everybody in
> > this game. Let's just try to make sure it stays that way OK?
> >
> > You too are also fully entitled to your opinions and will doubtless
> > change them as time goes on, just as I and most everyone else does as the
> > years rattle on past us.
> >
> > ...best regards, Doug in NY 12:45pm edt Dec 3
> >
> >
> > BTW: I have seen your car and it is KILLER. Keep up the good work.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: dferguso@ebmail.gdeb.com
> > >To: boogiewoogie12@hotmail.com,land-speed@autox.team.net
> > >Subject: RE: Electronics vs. old way
> > >Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:59:59 -0500
> > >
> > >what is this "unfairness" whining all about ??? - just go out and race
> YOUR
> > >CAR YOUR WAY - who cares if the other guy in your class has some
> > >electronics on his ride - big deal - if you chose not to run electronics
> > >then be glad youre allowed to choose - if you choose electronics / knife
> > >switch / flathead / dumptruck / nitro tfx / weedwhacker or whatever
> > >technology that turns you on then just drive it in the class it fits in
> and
> > >chill out and quit worrying about having special class designations
> because
> > >some other guy is monitoring his exhaust with an o2 sensor and youre not.
> > >if youre so threatened that some guy has some miracle electronics thats
> > >gonna blow your doors off then step up to the plate and get them yourself
> > >or quit whining about having your personally tailored handicapped class
> so
> > >no one gets an advantage on you and drive it your way.
> > >
> > >regards
> > >doug @ black radon engineering
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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