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Re: [Healeys] Brake pedal problem

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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake pedal problem
From: Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 2025 07:53:00 -0700
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Theoretically, I suppose. The servo has both a 'slave' cylinder, driven 
by the M/C, which gates atmospheric air or engine vacuum to the large 
canister for braking assist or normal running, respectively, and a 
'master' cyl. that provides boosted pressure to the wheel cyls. courtesy 
of the air/vacuum pressure differential. A bad seal on the master cyl. 
in the servo /might /cause something similar, though I've not heard of 
this happening, so I can't say what the symptoms would be (though it 
would likely result in really poor braking and possibly a squishy 
pedal). Air in the system or an issue in the M/C is more likely. The 
most common failure of the servo I've seen or heard of is from the 
'gland' seal that seals the piston shaft from the vacuum/air cylinder; 
when it hardens, cracks or tears brake fluid will be sucked into the 
intake manifold and you'll have a new pope.

bs

On 5/21/2025 6:00 AM, warthodson@aol.com wrote:
> Is it possible for the brake booster to produce these symptoms?
> Gary Hodson
>
> On Tuesday, May 20, 2025 at 11:08:52 PM CDT, Bob Spidell via Healeys 
> <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> I drove my BJ8 over 2,000 miles on a road trip with a similar problem, 
> though it was more consistent. On teardown of the M/C I found that the 
> seal on the 'foot valve' was damaged. This is a seal that closes the 
> feed line to the reservoir when brakes are applied. Simple test: Have 
> someone work the brakes as you closely watch the fluid level in the 
> reservoir; if it rises or ripples when brakes are applied that's your 
> problem.
>
> On 5/20/2025 1:20 PM, Richard Antal via Healeys wrote:
> Greetings Healeyphiles,
>      After a long winter's rest, I drove my BJ8 for the first time 
> this year and noticed immediately that I had to depress the brake 
> pedal far down before braking began, but if I pumped the pedal a few 
> times the brake pedal commenced functioning more promptly. This 
> improvement was fleeting but reproducible. The brake fluid reservoir 
> is topped off. What might be the cause and solution of this problem. 
> Thanks for all help.
> rich antal
>
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    Theoretically, I suppose. The servo has both a 'slave' cylinder,
    driven by the M/C, which gates atmospheric air or engine vacuum to
    the large canister for braking assist or normal running,
    respectively, and a 'master' cyl. that provides boosted pressure to
    the wheel cyls. courtesy of the air/vacuum pressure differential. A
    bad seal on the master cyl. in the servo <i>might </i>cause
    something similar, though I've not heard of this happening, so I
    can't say what the symptoms would be (though it would likely result
    in really poor braking and possibly a squishy pedal). Air in the
    system or an issue in the M/C is more likely. The most common
    failure of the servo I've seen or heard of is from the 'gland' seal
    that seals the piston shaft from the vacuum/air cylinder; when it
    hardens, cracks or tears brake fluid will be sucked into the intake
    manifold and you'll have a new pope. <br>
    <br>
    bs<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/21/2025 6:00 AM,
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Is it possible for the brake
          booster to produce these symptoms? </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Gary Hodson </div>
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            <div class="ydp1da3602fquoted-text-header"> On Tuesday, May
              20, 2025 at 11:08:52 PM CDT, Bob Spidell via Healeys
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                <div> I drove my BJ8 over 2,000 miles on a road trip
                  with a similar problem, though it was more consistent.
                  On teardown of the M/C I found that the seal on the
                  'foot valve' was damaged. This is a seal that closes
                  the feed line to the reservoir when brakes are
                  applied. Simple test: Have someone work the brakes as
                  you closely watch the fluid level in the reservoir; if
                  it rises or ripples when brakes are applied that's
                  your problem.<br clear="none">
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                      5/20/2025 1:20 PM, Richard Antal via Healeys
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                      <div dir="ltr">Greetings Healeyphiles,</div>
                      <div dir="ltr">     After a long winter's rest, I
                        drove my BJ8 for the first time this year and
                        noticed immediately that I had to depress the
                        brake pedal far down before braking began, but
                        if I pumped the pedal a few times the brake
                        pedal commenced functioning more promptly. This
                        improvement was fleeting but reproducible. The
                        brake fluid reservoir is topped off. What might
                        be the cause and solution of this problem.
                        Thanks for all help.</div>
                      <div dir="ltr">rich antal</div>
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