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I see this was a N/S at $92K 'reserve not met.'Â Apparently, owner still
thinks he deserves a 'real 100M' (minus correct chassis, carburetors,
distributor, ...) price.
$92K would be a proper price for a really nice BN2.
bs
On 12/28/2023 5:41 AM, josef-eckert@t-online.de wrote:
>
> So its a rebuilt BN1 and one used parts of a BN2 (100M) to complete
> it. At the end the one who repuilt it decided to swap the original VIN
> tag of the BN1 against the one of the perhaps scrapped 100M he used
> the parts of for his rebuild.
>
> Josef Eckert
>
> Germany
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
>
> Datum: 2023-12-28T13:23:57+0100
>
> Von: "S and T Miller" <stmiller96@hotmail.com>
>
> An: "josef-eckert@t-online.de" <josef-eckert@t-online.de>,
> "HealeyRick" <healeyrik@gmail.com>
>
> The car on offer does have some valid M parts. Vin tag, cockpit trim,
> boot. The engine I'd put a question mark next to because of the repro
> tag, possibly incorrect carbs and incorrect distributor. I'm not
> really familiar with original cold air boxes, but it did appear old.
> I also felt IMO that the bonnet looked suspiciously clean and fresh.
> The boot showed no evidence of the prop mount being removed and the
> boot itself showed some signs of aging prior to restoration (namely
> some pitting). I can't say that same about the bonnet in terms of the
> aging. The area where the numbers are stamped has a support behind it.
> So in theory the number could be cut out of an original bonnet and
> grafted into another new bonnet, but this is just speculation and
> would take carefully scutiny to determine.
> The Millers
>
> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a
> test drive."
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* josef-eckert@t-online.de <josef-eckert@t-online.de>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2023 2:58 PM
> *To:* S and T Miller <stmiller96@hotmail.com>; HealeyRick
> <healeyrik@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* AW: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
>
> To understand it. What is the difference between this 100M car on
> offer and a 100 BN1 modified with a 100 Le Mans kit, which has been
> given a different identity through a swapped chassis number?
>
> For me both cars are very similar.
>
> Josef Eckert
>
> Germany
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
>
> Datum: 2023-12-27T20:48:57+0100
>
> Von: "S and T Miller" <stmiller96@hotmail.com>
>
> An: "HealeyRick" <healeyrik@gmail.com>
>
> Very true. From talking with Mike, I really don't think he initially
> knew about the chassis and possible motor/ carb questions. He really
> doesn't have a good understanding of Healeys. And I even can
> understand to a point that he might be trying to even convince himself
> that it might be more than it actually is. But how he has represented
> it after receiving a good assessment, just sits a bit wrong with me.
> Anyway it may never be known who or when the "conversion" took place.
> But the idea that the front cross bracing was bent to look like a M
> cam was installed, and the two under the dash BN1 OD relay holes (4)
> being so carefully concealed, tells me someone was trying to make it
> look legit.
> And I quess it just will be determined by the hammer price how much of
> it really matters. It is a sharp looking car.
> The Millers
>
> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a
> test drive."
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2023 11:57 AM
> *To:* S and T Miller <stmiller96@hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* bspidell@comcast.net <bspidell@comcast.net>;
> healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
> Interesting question about misrepresentation. Who misrepresented what
> to whom? Did the restorer misrepresent a 100M with a BN1 frame and
> possible replacement motor to the original buyer who was clueless or
> was it the original buyer that was doing the misrepresenting? There's
> probably some grist for a lawyer's mill in all this. (retired lawyer,
> I can't help thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of those "The
> Healey Lawyer" columns in the /Marque?/
> //
> /Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"/
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:41â?¯AM S and T Miller
> <stmiller96@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bob, I agree with you. And it seems he is trying to cast some
> doubt on it being a BN1 chassis. Saying the firewall is a
> combination of both BN1 and BN2 is plain false. Since I was the
> one who showed him in person why it was a BN1 chassis he wanted to
> use my name saying we "believe" its a BN1 chassis, and I replied
> that "believe" doesn't categorize my opinion. That everything
> points to being a BN1 chassis and nothing to a BN2.
> Intesting note on the added restoration photos, #311 clearly shows
> the cut out BN1 gearbox mount in the restoration photo. Odd it is
> on a painted frame, but the BN2 one must have been welded in
> later. I'd thought maybe it was of a different frame, but the
> front frame extensions are missing in the pictured one as we'll,
> so probably not.
> I realize he is trying to sell a car that he bought that someone
> misrepresented to him, but I kinda feel not so great about his
> representation of the car on BAT. Again it is a nice car overall.
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 03:45:57 -0800
> From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
> To: healeys@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
> Message-ID: <229b7fa6-3b3a-4221-b587-227de3ae0c2b@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
> The expos? of the incorrect frame isn't stated in the text, but buried
> in the video according to a commenter (I didn't watch it). It
> appears to
> me the seller is attempting to straddle an ethical fence, apparently
> with BaT's blessing
> The Millers
>
> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a
> test drive."
>
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I see this was a N/S at $92K 'reserve not met.'Â Apparently, owner
still thinks he deserves a 'real 100M' (minus correct chassis,
carburetors, distributor, ...) price.<br>
<br>
$92K would be a proper price for a really nice BN2.<br>
<br>
bs<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/28/2023 5:41 AM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>josef-eckert@t-online.de</a> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:1703770890664.1837374.0462b9e4f5b1673aaab6a08ca2a3e2c360b54b5e@spica.telekom.de">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<title></title>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">So
its a rebuilt BN1 and one used parts of a BN2 (100M) to
complete it. At the end the one who repuilt it decided to swap
the original VIN tag of the BN1 against the one of the perhaps
scrapped 100M he used the parts of for his rebuild.<br>
</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Â </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Josef
Eckert</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Germany</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Â </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Â </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Â </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-12-28T13:23:57+0100</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Von: "S and T Miller"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:stmiller96@hotmail.com";><stmiller96@hotmail.com></a></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">An: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>"josef-eckert@t-online.de"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";><josef-eckert@t-online.de></a>,
"HealeyRick"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";><healeyrik@gmail.com></a></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Â </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Â </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Â </p>
<div
style="position: relative; color: #000000; font: 12px
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
<div
style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit;
background-color: transparent;">Â </div>
<div>The car on offer does have some valid M parts. Vin tag,
cockpit trim, boot. The engine I'd put a question mark next to
because of the repro tag, possibly incorrect carbs and
incorrect distributor. I'm not really familiar with original
cold air boxes, but it did appear old. </div>
<div>I also felt IMO that the bonnet looked suspiciously clean
and fresh. The boot showed no evidence of the prop mount being
removed and the boot itself showed some signs of aging prior
to restoration (namely some pitting). I can't say that same
about the bonnet in terms of the aging. The area where the
numbers are stamped has a support behind it. So in theory the
number could be cut out of an original bonnet and grafted into
another new bonnet, but this is just speculation and would
take carefully scutiny to determine.  </div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>The Millers<br>
 <br>
"Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car
is a test drive."</div>
<hr style="display: inline-block; width: 98%;" tabindex="-1">
<div dir="ltr"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: #000000; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><strong>From:</strong>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>josef-eckert@t-online.de</a> <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";><josef-eckert@t-online.de></a><br>
<strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, December 27, 2023 2:58 PM<br>
<strong>To:</strong> S and T Miller
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:stmiller96@hotmail.com";><stmiller96@hotmail.com></a>;
HealeyRick
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";><healeyrik@gmail.com></a><br>
<strong>Cc:</strong> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br>
<strong>Subject:</strong> AW: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</span>
<div>Â </div>
</div>
<div>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;"><span
class="x_HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="x_jCAhz x_ChMk0b"><span
class="x_ryNqvb">To understand it.</span></span> <span
class="x_jCAhz x_ChMk0b"><span class="x_ryNqvb">What
is the difference between this 100M car on offer and
a 100 BN1 modified with a 100 Le Mans kit, which has
been given a different identity through a swapped
chassis number?</span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;"><span
class="x_HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="x_jCAhz x_ChMk0b"><span
class="x_ryNqvb">For me both cars are very
similar.</span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Â </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;"><span
class="x_HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="x_jCAhz x_ChMk0b"><span
class="x_ryNqvb">Josef
Eckert</span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;"><span
class="x_HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="x_jCAhz x_ChMk0b"><span
class="x_ryNqvb">Germany</span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;">Â </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Â </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Â </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on
BaT</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-12-27T20:48:57+0100</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Von: "S and T Miller"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:stmiller96@hotmail.com";><stmiller96@hotmail.com></a></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">An: "HealeyRick"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";><healeyrik@gmail.com></a></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Â </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Â </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Â </p>
<div
style="color: #000000; font: 12px Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
<div
style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit;
background-color: transparent;">Â </div>
<div>Very true. From talking with Mike, I really don't think
he initially knew about the chassis and possible motor/
carb questions. He really doesn't have a good
understanding of Healeys. And I even can understand to a
point that he might be trying to even convince himself
that it might be more than it actually is. But how he has
represented it after receiving a good assessment, just
sits a bit wrong with me. </div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>Anyway it may never be known who or when the
"conversion" took place. But the idea that the front cross
bracing was bent to look like a M cam was installed, and
the two under the dash BN1 OD relay holes (4) being so
carefully concealed, tells me someone was trying to make
it look legit. </div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>And I quess it just will be determined by the hammer
price how much of it really matters. It is a sharp looking
car. </div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>The Millers<br>
 <br>
"Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique
car is a test drive."</div>
<hr style="display: inline-block; width: 98%;" tabindex="-1">
<div dir="ltr"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: #000000; font-family:
Calibri,sans-serif;"><strong>From:</strong>
HealeyRick <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";><healeyrik@gmail.com></a><br>
<strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, December 27, 2023
11:57 AM<br>
<strong>To:</strong> S and T Miller
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:stmiller96@hotmail.com";><stmiller96@hotmail.com></a><br>
<strong>Cc:</strong> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>bspidell@comcast.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";><bspidell@comcast.net></a>; <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br>
<strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</span>
<div>Â </div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Interesting question about
misrepresentation. Who misrepresented what to whom? Did
the restorer misrepresent a 100M with a BN1 frame and
possible replacement motor to the original buyer who was
clueless or was it the original buyer that was doing the
misrepresenting? There's probably some grist for a
lawyer's mill in all this. (retired lawyer, I can't help
thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of those
"The Healey Lawyer" columns in the <em>Marque?</em>
<div><em>Â </em></div>
<div><em>Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"</em></div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="x_x_gmail_quote">
<div class="x_x_gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 27,
2023 at 8:41â?¯AM S and T Miller <<a
href="mailto:stmiller96@hotmail.com";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">stmiller96@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="x_x_gmail_quote"
style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left:
1ex;">
<div>
<div
style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit;
background-color: transparent;">Bob,
I agree with you. And it seems he is trying to
cast some doubt on it being a BN1 chassis. Saying
the firewall is a combination of both BN1 and BN2
is plain false. Since I was the one who showed him
in person why it was a BN1 chassis he wanted to
use my name saying we "believe" its a BN1
chassis, and I replied that "believe" doesn't
categorize my opinion. That everything points to
being a BN1 chassis and nothing to a BN2. </div>
<div
style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit;
background-color: transparent;">Intesting
note on the added restoration photos, #311 clearly
shows the cut out BN1 gearbox mount in the
restoration photo. Odd it is on a painted frame,
but the BN2 one must have been welded in later.
I'd thought maybe it was of a different frame, but
the front frame extensions are missing in the
pictured one as we'll, so probably not.</div>
<div
style="font-family: inherit; color: inherit; background-color:
transparent;">Â </div>
<div
style="font-family: inherit; color: inherit; background-color: transparent;">I
realize he is trying to sell a car that he bought
that someone misrepresented to him, but I kinda
feel not so great about his representation of the
car on BAT. Again it is a nice car overall. </div>
<div
style="font-family: inherit; color: inherit; background-color:
transparent;"><br>
<span
style="font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;
background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Message:
2</span><br>
<span
style="font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;
background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Date:
Tue, 26 Dec 2023 03:45:57 -0800</span><br>
<span
style="font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;
background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">From:
Bob Spidell <<a
href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bspidell@comcast.net</a>></span><br>
<span
style="font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;
background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">To:
<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a></span><br>
<span
style="font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;
background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Subject:
Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</span><br>
<span
style="font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;
background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Message-ID:
<<a
href="mailto:229b7fa6-3b3a-4221-b587-227de3ae0c2b@comcast.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">229b7fa6-3b3a-4221-b587-227de3ae0c2b@comcast.net</a>></span><br>
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style="font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;
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text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"</span><br>
<br>
<span
style="font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;
background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">The
expos? of the incorrect frame isn't stated in
the text, but buried</span><br>
<span
style="font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;
background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">in
the video according to a commenter (I didn't
watch it). It appears to</span><br>
<span
style="font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;
background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">me
the seller is attempting to straddle an ethical
fence, apparently</span><br>
<span
style="font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;
background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">with
BaT's blessing</span></div>
<div>Â </div>
<div>The Millers<br>
 <br>
"Always drive them, but remember each drive in an
antique car is a test drive."</div>
</div>
<span style="white-space: pre-wrap">
</span></blockquote>
</div>
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