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To: "Roland Wilhelmy" <sentenac.rw@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Heater query
From: David Nock BCS via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 15:09:01 -0700
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50/50 antifreeze and distilled water


David Nock
British Car Specialists
209-948-8767
www.britishcarspecialists.com

From: Roland Wilhelmy=20
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 2:54 PM
To: David Nock BCS=20
Cc: Leonard Berkowitz ; healeys@autox.team.net=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Heater query

David,=20
Do you use an antifreeze mix or just water and anticorrosion treatment?

-Roland


On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 1:43 PM David Nock BCS via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:

  For an update on radiators and cooling

  This Sunday the GGAHC had their Ice Cream Social in Danville =
California, Afterwards I had wine event and a friends winery in Lodi.=20

  If you havent heard we are in the middle of a major heat wave here in =
Central California. The day time temp at noon on Sunday way 105 degrees =
and warmed up to a mild 109 by 4 pm.=20

  Of course since I started out at our Club event I took the Healey. =
With a alluminium radiator. =20

  The engine temperature ran a steady 185 to  190 degrees at 70 mph=20

  This is how  I like to test something. A real life personal test on =
how a part works.



  David Nock
  British Car Specialists
  209-948-8767
  www.britishcarspecialists.com



  From: David Nock BCS=20
  Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 9:08 AM
  To: Leonard Berkowitz ; healeys@autox.team.net=20
  Subject: Re: [Healeys] Heater query

  We have been dealing with the British  Car industry for only about 70 =
years, from an independent shop in the 50s and 60s, then a BL dealer in =
the 70s and 80s. Then back to an independent repair shop dealing =
strictly British Cars the entire time. =20

  WE have dealt with running hot and overheating the entire time. Up =
until about 10 years ago we had been installing a special high efficency =
radiator core in all our radiators. We would not paint the cores, change =
the necks to a short neck allowing a higher pressure cap, correct =
thermostats, installed air ducts correctly. All of these things helped.=20

  I am personnally hesitant to make changes until I have installed in my =
own personal car and actually seen a difference. On my BN4 I have a =
highly upgraded motor, a 3000 motor that is bored .060 over, perfomance =
MSD ignition and much more. I was continually having hot running =
problems here in the central valley of California with the summer temps =
always in the high 90s and upto 110.=20

  I removed one of my upgraded radiators and installed an alluminium =
radiator, with 2 rows of  1=E2=80=9D tubes. The original Healey radiator =
is a 2 row core with 1/2 tubes, the upgraded core we have been =
installing is a 3 row core with 3/8 tubes with a new style fin. This =
esentially gave us more tube to fin area as well as more fin to air =
surface.

  Now with the newer alloy radiator we gained more tube size, more tube =
to fin and more fin to air contact, This making better cooling.

  Now for the test, I installed the alloy radiator in my car, and =
immediately the running temperature dropped by about 10 to 20 degrees =
depending on the day. However I still had an issue with slow traffic =
speeds. It was much better  but I wanted to make it better. So I =
installed a pusher fan on a thermostat set at 180 degrees, and now all =
the heating issues are gone.

  So maybe if you compare equal sized radiators with equal fins and =
tubes, the copper brass radiators are better. But my own personal test =
in my car proved to me that the alloy radiator was the cure.



  David Nock
  British Car Specialists
  209-948-8767
  www.britishcarspecialists.com

  From: Leonard Berkowitz via Healeys=20
  Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 6:43 AM
  To: healeys@autox.team.net=20
  Subject: Re: [Healeys] Heater query

  I do not have any experience with aluminum radiators but I have tried =
oil coolers, "Texas fans", and electric fans. I finally had my original =
recored with a core that has extra rows. The upper tank is original but =
the lower is thicker, which made installation a little challenging. The =
radiator has been in for at least 15-20 years.  I have driven under =
almost every condition- very hot ambient temps, high speed (80-90MPH) =
traffic etc. and the engine temps stay where they should be.  Strongly =
recommend this option, especially since it almost impossible to =
distinguish my radiator from the stock original and it has worked to =
perfection. =20
  Len B

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  From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of =
warthodson--- via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 9:49 AM
  To: healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>; BJ8Healeys =
<sbyers@ec.rr.com>
  Subject: Re: [Healeys] Heater query=20

  My 100 radiator is in need of some rehabilitation. It either needs to =
be boiled out, which would not replace some of the damaged fins, or =
re-cored. I am leaning toward re-coring but that would be more =
expensive, which leads to the aluminum option. =20
  Besides price what are the pros vs. cons of these options? Does anyone =
know if re-cored 100 radiator is more efficient than an aluminum =
radiator?
  Gary H

  On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 09:02:21 PM CDT, BJ8Healeys via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:=20


  I live in the sunny South (90=C2=B0 F and 90% relative humidity today) =
and I used to refer to my BJ8=E2=80=99s heater as the =E2=80=9Cauxiliary =
engine cooler=E2=80=9D; but I no longer have to use  it that way since I =
had a modern core installed in the radiator and added a 190=C2=B0 =
sleeved thermostat that I bought from Kees.



  Steve Byers

  HBJ8L/36666

  BJ8 Registry

  AHCA Delegate at Large

  Havelock, NC  USA







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Nock<BR>British Car=20
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dsentenac.rw@gmail.com>Roland Wilhelmy</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 17, 2023 2:54 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dhealeydoc@sbcglobal.net>David Nock BCS</A> =
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Ddrberkowitz@hotmail.com>Leonard Berkowitz</A> =
; <A=20
title=3Dhealeys@autox.team.net>healeys@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Heater query</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
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<DIV>David,=20
<DIV>Do you use an antifreeze mix or just water and anticorrosion=20
treatment?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>-Roland</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 1:43 PM David =
Nock BCS via=20
Healeys &lt;<A>healeys@autox.team.net</A>&gt; wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century'; COLOR: =
#000000">
  <DIV>For an update on radiators and cooling</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>This Sunday the GGAHC had their Ice Cream Social in Danville =
California,=20
  Afterwards I had wine event and a friends winery in Lodi. </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>If you havent heard we are in the middle of a major heat wave =
here in=20
  Central California. The day time temp at noon on Sunday way 105 =
degrees and=20
  warmed up to a mild 109 by 4 pm. </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Of course since I started out at our Club event I took the =
Healey. With a=20
  alluminium radiator.&nbsp; </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>The engine temperature ran a steady 185 to&nbsp; 190 degrees at =
70 mph=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>This is how&nbsp; I like to test something. A real life personal =
test on=20
  how a part works.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century'; COLOR: =
#000000">David=20
  Nock<BR>British Car Specialists<BR>209-948-8767<BR><A=20
  href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com"; rel=3Dnoreferrer=20
  target=3D_blank>www.britishcarspecialists.com</A></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century'; COLOR: =
#000000">&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century'; COLOR: =
#000000">&nbsp;</DIV>
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  style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
  <DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dhealeydoc@sbcglobal.net =
rel=3Dnoreferrer>David Nock=20
  BCS</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 13, 2023 9:08 AM</DIV>
  <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Ddrberkowitz@hotmail.com =
rel=3Dnoreferrer>Leonard=20
  Berkowitz</A> ; <A title=3Dhealeys@autox.team.net=20
  rel=3Dnoreferrer>healeys@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Heater query</DIV></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century'; COLOR: =
#000000">
  <DIV>We have been dealing with the British&nbsp; Car industry for only =
about=20
  70 years, from an independent shop in the 50s and 60s, then a BL =
dealer in the=20
  70s and 80s. Then back to an independent repair shop dealing strictly =
British=20
  Cars the entire time.&nbsp; </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>WE have dealt with running hot and overheating the entire time. =
Up until=20
  about 10 years ago we had been installing a special high efficency =
radiator=20
  core in all our radiators. We would not paint the cores, change the =
necks to a=20
  short neck allowing a higher pressure cap, correct thermostats, =
installed air=20
  ducts correctly. All of these things helped. </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>I am personnally hesitant to make changes until I have installed =
in my=20
  own personal car and actually seen a difference. On my BN4 I have a =
highly=20
  upgraded motor, a 3000 motor that is bored .060 over, perfomance MSD =
ignition=20
  and much more. I was continually having hot running problems here in =
the=20
  central valley of California with the summer temps always in the high =
90s and=20
  upto 110. </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>I removed one of my upgraded radiators and installed an =
alluminium=20
  radiator, with 2 rows of&nbsp; 1=E2=80=9D tubes. The original Healey =
radiator is a 2=20
  row core with 1/2 tubes, the upgraded core we have been installing is =
a 3 row=20
  core with 3/8 tubes with a new style fin. This esentially gave us more =
tube to=20
  fin area as well as more fin to air surface.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Now with the newer alloy radiator we gained more tube size, more =
tube to=20
  fin and more fin to air contact, This making better cooling.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Now for the test, I installed the alloy radiator in my car, and=20
  immediately the running temperature dropped by about 10 to 20 degrees=20
  depending on the day. However I still had an issue with slow traffic =
speeds.=20
  It was much better&nbsp; but I wanted to make it better. So I =
installed a=20
  pusher fan on a thermostat set at 180 degrees, and now all the heating =
issues=20
  are gone.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>So maybe if you compare equal sized radiators with equal fins and =
tubes,=20
  the copper brass radiators are better. But my own personal test in my =
car=20
  proved to me that the alloy radiator was the cure.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>David Nock<BR>British Car Specialists<BR>209-948-8767<BR><A=20
  href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com"; rel=3Dnoreferrer=20
  target=3D_blank>www.britishcarspecialists.com</A></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
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  <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
  <DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dhealeys@autox.team.net =
rel=3Dnoreferrer>Leonard=20
  Berkowitz via Healeys</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 13, 2023 6:43 AM</DIV>
  <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dhealeys@autox.team.net=20
  rel=3Dnoreferrer>healeys@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Heater query</DIV></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,helvetica,sans-serif; =
COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">I=20
  do not have any experience with aluminum radiators but I have tried =
oil=20
  coolers, "Texas fans", and electric fans. I finally had my original =
recored=20
  with a core that has extra rows. The upper tank is original but the =
lower is=20
  thicker, which made installation a little challenging. The radiator =
has been=20
  in for at least 15-20 years.&nbsp; I have driven under almost every =
condition-=20
  very hot ambient temps, high speed (80-90MPH) traffic etc. and the =
engine=20
  temps stay where they should be.&nbsp; Strongly recommend this option, =

  especially since it almost impossible to distinguish my radiator from =
the=20
  stock original and it has worked to perfection.&nbsp; </DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dm_-8416464404775998338appendonsend></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,helvetica,sans-serif; =
COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">Len=20
  B</DIV>
  <HR style=3D"WIDTH: 98%; DISPLAY: inline-block">

  <DIV id=3Dm_-8416464404775998338divRplyFwdMsg dir=3Dltr><FONT=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"=20
  face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><B>From:</B> Healeys &lt;<A =
rel=3Dnoreferrer=20
  target=3D_blank>healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</A>&gt; on behalf of=20
  warthodson--- via Healeys &lt;<A rel=3Dnoreferrer=20
  target=3D_blank>healeys@autox.team.net</A>&gt;<BR><B>Sent:</B> =
Tuesday, July 11,=20
  2023 9:49 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A rel=3Dnoreferrer=20
  target=3D_blank>healeys@autox.team.net</A> &lt;<A rel=3Dnoreferrer=20
  target=3D_blank>healeys@autox.team.net</A>&gt;; BJ8Healeys &lt;<A =
rel=3Dnoreferrer=20
  target=3D_blank>sbyers@ec.rr.com</A>&gt;<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Healeys] Heater=20
  query</FONT>=20
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>My 100 radiator is in need of some rehabilitation. It =
either=20
  needs to be boiled out, which would not replace some of the damaged =
fins, or=20
  re-cored. I am leaning toward re-coring but that would be more =
expensive,=20
  which leads to the aluminum option.&nbsp; </DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>Besides price what are the pros vs. cons of these =
options? Does=20
  anyone know if re-cored 100 radiator is more efficient than an =
aluminum=20
  radiator?</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>Gary H</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dm_-8416464404775998338x_ydp70f1316yahoo_quoted_9797011705>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: "Helvetica =
Neue",helvetica,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(38,40,42)'>
  <DIV>On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 09:02:21 PM CDT, BJ8Healeys via =
Healeys=20
  &lt;<A rel=3Dnoreferrer target=3D_blank>healeys@autox.team.net</A>&gt; =
wrote:=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dm_-8416464404775998338x_ydp70f1316yiv6075989256>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">I live in the sunny South=20
  (90</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=B0</SPAN><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"> F and 90% relative humidity today) =
and I used=20
  to refer to my BJ8=E2=80=99s heater as the =E2=80=9Cauxiliary engine =
cooler=E2=80=9D; but I no longer=20
  have to use&nbsp; it that way since I had a modern core installed in =
the=20
  radiator and added a 190</SPAN><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=B0</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)">=20
  sleeved thermostat that I bought from Kees.</SPAN></P>
  <P><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
  <P><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Steve Byers</SPAN></P>
  <P><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">HBJ8L/36666</SPAN></P>
  <P><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">BJ8 Registry</SPAN></P>
  <P><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">AHCA Delegate at =
Large</SPAN></P>
  <P><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Havelock, NC&nbsp; =
USA</SPAN></P>
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