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To: Chris Scholz <drscholz@visioncenterpc.com>, Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Heater query
From: Robert Markovich via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 13:33:51 +0000 (UTC)
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On Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 8:47 AM, Chris Scholz via Healeys <healeys@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:

I have the aluminum dual pass wizard radiator from New York also in my 100-=
6 and love it. =C2=A0I have a single electric 15=E2=80=9D spal fan, no vent=
s in the hood and I am cooling an aluminum 5.7L LS1 with 350hp. =C2=A0Never=
 overheats and idles thru parades on 100 degree days and never goes over 19=
5 degrees. =C2=A0

Sent from my iPhoneChris Scholz OD

On Jul 12, 2023, at 2:59 AM, Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net> wrote:



=EF=BB=BFBob,
As long as the side baffles are fitted properly the fan will not have any i=
ssues pulling air through the rad. The fan does little for air flow at anyt=
hing above 15 mph.
Harold
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 2:19=E2=80=AFPM Bob Haskell <rchaskell@earthlink.ne=
t> wrote:


As the cores become denser, I wonder if the stock fan is able to pull suffi=
cient air through the radiator.

Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrarOn 7/11/23 12:40, Harold Manifold wrot=
e:

Gary,
I had the same options when restoring my Mk1 BT7. I looked into aluminum ra=
diators extensively to see what the benefits might be. Contrary to popular =
belief it is not better heat transfer properties of the materials. The copp=
er radiator fins on the original Healey radiators have much better thermal =
conductivity=C2=A0than aluminum. The advantage of the aluminum radiator is =
the manufacturing=C2=A0process and the formability of modern aluminum. The =
result is more tube and fin area. I estimated a Wizard radiator has about 2=
5% more fin area than the stock=C2=A0radiator. The greater the fin area the=
 better to expel=C2=A0heat.
Having said that, there is a third=C2=A0option which is to replace the orig=
inal core with a high efficiency core. This retains the stock look of the e=
ngine bay and will be close in performance to the aluminum radiator. The hi=
gh efficiency core option will be more expensive=C2=A0than a Wizard radiato=
r and the difficulty is finding a radiator shop that can access the core ca=
n do the work.
This website has a good overview:=C2=A0https://usradiator.com/cores
Harold




On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 9:12=E2=80=AFAM warthodson--- via Healeys <healeys@=
autox.team.net> wrote:

My 100 radiator is in need of some rehabilitation. It either needs to be bo=
iled out, which would not replace some of the damaged fins, or re-cored. I =
am leaning toward re-coring but that would be more expensive, which leads t=
o the aluminum option.=C2=A0=C2=A0Besides price what are the pros vs. cons =
of these options? Does anyone know if re-cored 100 radiator is more efficie=
nt than an aluminum radiator?Gary H
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 09:02:21 PM CDT, BJ8Healeys via Healeys <healey=
s@autox.team.net> wrote:


I live in the sunny South (90=C2=B0 F and 90% relative humidity today) and =
I used to refer to my BJ8=E2=80=99s heater as the =E2=80=9Cauxiliary engine=
 cooler=E2=80=9D; but I no longer have to use=C2=A0 it that way since I had=
 a modern core installed in the radiator and added a 190=C2=B0 sleeved ther=
mostat that I bought from Kees.

=C2=A0

Steve Byers

HBJ8L/36666

BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large

Havelock, NC=C2=A0 USA

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s &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:</p><blockquote class=3D"iosymail"><=
div id=3D"yiv4909641555"><div>
I have the aluminum dual pass wizard radiator from New York also in my 100-=
6 and love it. &nbsp;I have a single electric 15=E2=80=9D spal fan, no vent=
s in the hood and I am cooling an aluminum 5.7L LS1 with 350hp. &nbsp;Never=
 overheats and idles thru parades on 100 degree days
 and never goes over 195 degrees. &nbsp;<br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone
<div>Chris Scholz OD</div>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 12, 2023, at 2:59 AM, Harold Manifold &lt;=
manifold@telus.net&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob,
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<div>As long as the side baffles are fitted properly the fan will not have =
any issues pulling air through the rad. The fan does little for air flow at=
 anything above 15 mph.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Harold</div>
</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"yiv4909641555gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at =
2:19=E2=80=AFPM Bob Haskell &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:rchaskell@earthlink.net"; target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:rchaskell@earthlink.net";>rchaskell@earthlink.net</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br clear=3D"none">
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,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"yiv4909641555gmail_quote">
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<p>As the cores become denser, I wonder if the stock fan is able to pull su=
fficient air through the radiator.<br clear=3D"none">
</p>
<pre>Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar</pre>
<div>On 7/11/23 12:40, Harold Manifold wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Gary,
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<div>I had the same options when restoring my Mk1 BT7. I looked into alumin=
um radiators extensively to see what the benefits might be. Contrary to pop=
ular belief it is not better heat transfer properties of the materials. The=
 copper radiator fins on the original
 Healey radiators have much better thermal conductivity&nbsp;than aluminum.=
 The advantage of the aluminum radiator is the manufacturing&nbsp;process a=
nd the formability of modern aluminum. The result is more tube and fin area=
. I estimated a Wizard radiator has about
 25% more fin area than the stock&nbsp;radiator. The greater the fin area t=
he better to expel&nbsp;heat.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Having said that, there is a third&nbsp;option which is to replace the=
 original core with a high efficiency core. This retains the stock look of =
the engine bay and will be close in performance to the aluminum radiator. T=
he high efficiency core option will be
 more expensive&nbsp;than a Wizard radiator and the difficulty is finding a=
 radiator shop that can access the core can do the work.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>This website has a good overview:&nbsp;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener nor=
eferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://usradiator.com/co=
res">https://usradiator.com/cores</a></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Harold</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"yiv4909641555gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at =
9:12=E2=80=AFAM warthodson--- via Healeys &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener n=
oreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My 100 radiator is in need of some rehabilitation. It eith=
er needs to be boiled out, which would not replace some of the damaged fins=
, or re-cored. I am leaning toward re-coring but that would be more expensi=
ve, which leads to the aluminum option.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Besides price what are the pros vs. cons of these options?=
 Does anyone know if re-cored 100 radiator is more efficient than an alumin=
um radiator?</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Gary H</div>
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<div>On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 09:02:21 PM CDT, BJ8Healeys via Healeys &l=
t;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:=
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<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);">I live in the sunny South (90</spa=
n><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);">=C2=B0</span><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(31,73,125);"> F and 90% relative humidity today) and I used to refer to =
my BJ8=E2=80=99s heater as the =E2=80=9Cauxiliary engine cooler=E2=80=9D;
 but I no longer have to use&nbsp; it that way since I had a modern core in=
stalled in the radiator and added a 190</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,7=
3,125);">=C2=B0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);"> sleeved thermo=
stat that I bought from Kees.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);">Steve Byers</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);">HBJ8L/36666</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);">BJ8 Registry</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);">AHCA Delegate at Large</span></p>
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