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To: Patrick and Caroline Quinn <p.cquinn@outlook.com>, "healeys@autox.team.net" <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rebuilt Engine Compression
From: Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:50:45 +0200
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Hello Patrick,


Between 5 and 10lbs can barely be called a compression so something 
serious is amiss. It should be well above 5bar for any engine. Depending 
on C-R and wear. Even with a slightly burned or not lapped in valve.

If it is not the clearances it really looks like a head off job to 
investigate and sort the valves. Luckily not too big a job on the A-H.


Cheers,
Kees



Op 12-6-2023 om 12:01 schreef Patrick and Caroline Quinn:
>
> Hello Kees
>
> Thank you for your response.
>
> Iâ??m afraid I tried all that. Plugs are wet! Even made sure the earth 
> strap was earthing properly. Also used a starting fluid called â??Start 
> ya Bastard!â??
>
> I did a compression test and each cylinder was between 5 and 10 lbs. 
> Not quite what it should be.
>
> When the engine expired last year, the first thing I did was to have 
> the cylinder head pressure tested. It was okay, but I suspect that 
> when they put it back together the valves were not lapped in. The head 
> comes off next weekend to check.
>
> Hoo Roo
>
> Patrick Quinn
>
> *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Kees 
> Oudesluijs via Healeys
> *Sent:* Monday, June 12, 2023 6:43 PM
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Rebuilt Engine Compression
>
> Did you check the firing order, camshaft timing, valve clearances? 
> Does the distributor shaft turn when the engine is turning over?
>
> Check the bypass wiring of the ballast resistor. Check the correct 
> wiring of the coil, you would not be te first to have the polarity wrong.
>
> The compression on a freshly rebuild engine is lower than on an engine 
> that has been properly run in. It also depends on the tolerances and 
> surface finishes used in the rebuild. Assuming that it is a proper 
> rebuild the compression should not be an issue here. Whatever the 
> compression the engine should start.
>
> Timing and fuel cannot be spot on as the engine is not running and 
> fine tuning of mixture and ignition should be made on a running 
> engine.  It is however not an issue either as you set ignition 
> initially statically as you do with the adjustment of the carbs and it 
> should at least run on that.
>
> Are the spark plugs wet or dry after churning? Try spraying some easy 
> start fluid (mainly Aether) into the throat of the carbs during 
> turning over and see if you get some life.  If so it is a fuel issue.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
> Op 12-6-2023 om 07:41 schreef Patrick and Caroline Quinn via Healeys:
>
>     Hello
>
>     No amount of churning over with a new battery will induce the
>     BN3â??s rebuilt engine to fire. Even towing the car up and down the
>     road failed to instill any life into the engine.
>
>     Everything is spot on â?? timing, spark and fuel.
>
>     Anyone have an idea as to what the compression be on a rebuilt
>     engine should be?
>
>     Many thanks
>
>     Patrick Quinn
>
>     Blue Mountains, Australia
>
>
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    <p><br>
      Hello Patrick,</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Between 5 and 10lbs can barely be called a compression so
      something serious is amiss. It should be well above 5bar for any
      engine. Depending on C-R and wear. Even with a slightly burned or
      not lapped in valve.<br>
    </p>
    <p>If it is not the clearances it really looks like a head off job
      to investigate and sort the valves. Luckily not too big a job on
      the A-H.</p>
    <br>
    <p>Cheers,<br>
      Kees</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 12-6-2023 om 12:01 schreef Patrick
      and Caroline Quinn:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Hello Kees<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your response.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Iâ??m afraid I tried all that. Plugs are wet!
          Even made sure the earth strap was earthing properly. Also
          used a starting fluid called â??Start ya Bastard!â??<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I did a compression test and each cylinder
          was between 5 and 10 lbs. Not quite what it should be.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">When the engine expired last year, the
          first thing I did was to have the cylinder head pressure
          tested. It was okay, but I suspect that when they put it back
          together the valves were not lapped in. The head comes off
          next weekend to check.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Hoo Roo<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Patrick Quinn<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"
                lang="EN-US"> Healeys
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 12, 2023 6:43 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Rebuilt Engine 
Compression<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>Did you check the firing order, camshaft timing, valve
          clearances? Does the distributor shaft turn when the engine is
          turning over?<span
            
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p>Check the bypass wiring of the ballast resistor. Check the
          correct wiring of the coil, you would not be te first to have
          the polarity wrong.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>The compression on a freshly rebuild engine is lower than on
          an engine that has been properly run in. It also depends on
          the tolerances and surface finishes used in the rebuild.
          Assuming that it is a proper rebuild the compression should
          not be an issue here. Whatever the compression the engine
          should start.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Timing and fuel cannot be spot on as the engine is not
          running and fine tuning of mixture and ignition should be made
          on a running engine.  It is however not an issue either as you
          set ignition initially statically as you do with the
          adjustment of the carbs and it should at least run on 
that.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Are the spark plugs wet or dry after churning? Try spraying
          some easy start fluid (mainly Aether) into the throat of the
          carbs during turning over and see if you get some life.  If so
          it is a fuel issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Good luck.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>Kees Oudesluijs<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Op 12-6-2023 om 07:41 schreef Patrick and
            Caroline Quinn via Healeys:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Hello<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">No amount of churning over with a new
            battery will induce the BN3â??s rebuilt engine to fire. Even
            towing the car up and down the road failed to instill any
            life into the engine.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Everything is spot on â?? timing, spark and
            fuel.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Anyone have an idea as to what the
            compression be on a rebuilt engine should be?<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Patrick Quinn<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Blue Mountains, Australia<o:p></o:p></p>
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