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Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer

To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 11:32:38 -0400
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Yes the rears of my BN2 are done the same way and when I checked them they
were each within 1 oz.
Not so much the fronts which were out by more than 2 oz which was
attributable to an inconsistency in the cross section of that inner rib.
I tried machining it to correct this but it is extremely hard so I used a
grinder to remove material from the inside of the rib which has worked well
and is not visible when the drum and wheel are installed.

M

On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:26=E2=80=AFAM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>=
 wrote:

> Here's a shot of removed metal on one of my BN2's drums (cut at about 9
> o'clock). This was done so cleanly I've always assumed it was done at the
> 'factory.'
>
>
> On 5/19/2023 9:54 AM, Perry Small via Healeys wrote:
>
> Listers
> If you look at the drums you will see areas that were ground off to
> balance the drums.
> I have given away all my spare parts so I do not have a good example to
> photograph.
> Perry
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 19, 2023, at 2:19 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys
> <healeys@autox.team.net> <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> Good question Bob! I doubt they have done it and the cars were running
> anyway.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josef
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer
>
> Datum: 2023-05-19T07:56:40+0200
>
> Von: "Robert Parker via Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net>
> <healeys@autox.team.net>
>
> An: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com> <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Has anyone bothered to check whether the factory ever balanced the drums
> or even worried about it? It=E2=80=99s not that I don=E2=80=99t care, it=
=E2=80=99s just I=E2=80=99d like to
> know if anyone has heard of that happening at the factory. Bob, 61BT7.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2023, at 8:32 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys
> <healeys@autox.team.net> <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> With all this noise about balancing brake drums I thought I had better
> take a look at the ones on my BN2.
> I'm in the process if machining them back to  balance now.
> Bit of a task on my 12" lathe but it's happening.
>
> On Wed., May 17, 2023, 8:46 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Don't grind it. Have it machined off.
>> Mike MacLean
>>
>> On Wed, May 17, 2023, 6:58 AM Richard Kahn <tahoehealey@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hendrix welded more material to my drums as needed and it seems to have
>>> worked fine. I would not like grinding off material as it might affect =
the
>>> integrity of the drum by making it thinner, effecting the heat distribu=
tion
>>> and strength.  Just some rambling from someone who doesn't know what he=
 is
>>> talking about.
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of
>>> alfuller194@gmail.com <alfuller194@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2023 12:23 AM
>>> *To:* 'Michael MacLean' <springer.mike51@gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* 'Healey List' <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike =E2=80=93 I would think that would be the likely explanation for h=
aving
>>> sections of the drum rim machined off.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Al Fuller
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Michael MacLean <springer.mike51@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:47 PM
>>> *To:* alfuller194@gmail.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Al, list,
>>>
>>>      The drums for my BN2 has sections of the raised rim machined off.
>>> Does this mean my drums were balanced in the past?
>>>
>>> Mike MacLean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM <alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bob:  If you are wondering about brake drum balancing methods, you may
>>> be interested in the two methods used on my Healeys.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One shop trimmed off the fins as needed to balance the drums, one
>>> needing more trimming than the other =E2=80=93 but they both came out w=
ell.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A different shop welded rod material onto my current BJ-8=E2=80=99s dru=
ms to
>>> balance them. I think these drums were more out of balance than on prio=
r
>>> cars. They were careful to call me ahead of the operation to ask how mu=
ch
>>> clearance I had between the wheel and drum, and I was able to take them=
 a
>>> wheel and hub so they could see how it all fit together.  The results a=
re
>>> just fine, also.
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Al Fuller
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Bob
>>> Haskell via Healeys
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 PM
>>> *To:* Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net>; Healey List <
>>> healeys@autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Harold,
>>>
>>> How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide
>>> any details?
>>>
>>> Bob Haskell
>>>
>>> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar
>>>
>>> On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote:
>>>
>>> Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. =
I
>>> have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balan=
ce
>>> they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the
>>> separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttl=
e
>>> shakes so far.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Harold
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34=E2=80=AFAM <greylinn@ozemail.com.au> wrot=
e:
>>>
>>> Here in Brisbane there=E2=80=99s at least one place (near me) that does=
 on-car
>>> balancing. The wheels on my 100 don=E2=80=99t have a central hole, so c=
an=E2=80=99t be
>>> balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing
>>> ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter Linn
>>>
>>> Brisbane
>>>
>>> BN1 Holden V6
>>>
>>> MG TC special
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *m.g.sha=
rp---
>>> via Healeys
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM
>>> *To:* 'Harold Manifold' <manifold@telus.net>; 'HealeyRick' <
>>> healeyrik@gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* 'Healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner).  I
>>> had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true =
on
>>> the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight cham=
fer
>>> on the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a
>>> modern balancer.  Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so  th=
at
>>> when the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the
>>> outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub.  T=
hat
>>> part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner
>>> will end up in two pieces =E2=80=93 measure carefully!  Hub and spinner=
 was $25 at
>>> a swap meet and machining was $50.  I believe this adaptor will work on=
 any
>>> post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs.  Worked=
 a
>>> treat on my TC wheels.  Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it
>>> alone for now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced th=
e
>>> drum or disk at the same time =E2=80=93 as long as you remembered to ma=
rk the
>>> position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (=
to a
>>> different position on the car)!  That is likely one reason  they are no=
t
>>> used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added
>>> weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you remove=
d
>>> the wheel, you=E2=80=99d loose the balance, unless it went back in exac=
tly the same
>>> position.   Anyhow it=E2=80=99s a moot point as I have not seen an on-w=
heel
>>> balancer for decades.   I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but =
when
>>> I balanced the drums on the TC  they were significantly off.  I hear
>>> balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as =
my
>>> BT7 has always run pretty smooth.  If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants
>>> drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mirek
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Harold
>>> Manifold
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM
>>> *To:* HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS
>>> recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece =
of
>>> kit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Harold
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28=E2=80=AFAM HealeyRick via Healeys <
>>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to
>>> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine.  What are your thoughts=
?
>>> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-b=
alancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=3Demail-1st&utm_source=3Dnewsletter&utm_medium=
=3Demail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick"
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:small">Yes the rears of my BN2 are done the same way and=
 when I checked them they were each within 1 oz.</div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Not so much =
the fronts which were out by more than 2 oz which was attributable to an in=
consistency in the cross section of that inner rib. <br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">I tr=
ied machining it to correct this but it is extremely hard so I used a grind=
er to remove material from the inside of the rib which has worked well and =
is not visible when the drum and wheel are installed.</div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-=
size:small">M<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:26=E2=80=AFAM Bob Spidell=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    Here&#39;s a shot of removed metal on one of my BN2&#39;s drums (cut at
    about 9 o&#39;clock). This was done so cleanly I&#39;ve always assumed =
it
    was done at the &#39;factory.&#39;<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 5/19/2023 9:54 AM, Perry Small via
      Healeys wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      Listers=C2=A0
      <div>If you look at the drums you will see areas that were ground
        off to balance the drums.=C2=A0
        <div>I have given away all my spare parts so I do not have a
          good example to photograph.=C2=A0</div>
        <div>Perry</div>
        <div><br>
          <br>
          <div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
          <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
            <blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 19, 2023, at 2:19 AM,
              josef-eckert--- via Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.t=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank">&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
              wrote:<br>
              <br>
            </blockquote>
          </div>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite">
            <div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
             =20
             =20
              <p style=3D"margin:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Good
                  question Bob! I doubt they have done it and the cars
                  were running anyway.<br>
                </span></p>
              <p style=3D"margin:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Than=
ks,</span></p>
              <p style=3D"margin:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Jose=
f</span></p>
              <p style=3D"margin:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">=C2=
=A0</span></p>
              <p style=3D"margin:0px">=C2=A0</p>
              <p style=3D"margin:0px">=C2=A0</p>
              <p style=3D"margin:0px">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
              <p style=3D"margin:0px">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum
                balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer</p>
              <p style=3D"margin:0px">Datum: 2023-05-19T07:56:40+0200</p>
              <p style=3D"margin:0px">Von: &quot;Robert Parker via Healeys&=
quot;
                <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a></p>
              <p style=3D"margin:0px">An: &quot;Michael Salter&quot;
                <a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank=
">&lt;michaelsalter@gmail.com&gt;</a></p>
              <p style=3D"margin:0px">=C2=A0</p>
              <p style=3D"margin:0px">=C2=A0</p>
              <p style=3D"margin:0px">=C2=A0</p>
              <div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font:12px Arial,Helvetica,sans=
-serif">Has anyone bothered to
                check whether the factory ever balanced the drums or
                even worried about it? It=E2=80=99s not that I don=E2=80=99=
t care, it=E2=80=99s
                just I=E2=80=99d like to know if anyone has heard of that
                happening at the factory. Bob, 61BT7.<br>
                <br>
                <div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
                <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
                  <blockquote>On May 17, 2023, at 8:32 PM, Michael
                    Salter via Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team=
.net" target=3D"_blank">&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <br>
                  </blockquote>
                </div>
                <blockquote>
                  <div dir=3D"ltr">
                    <div dir=3D"auto">With all this noise about balancing
                      brake drums I thought I had better take a look at
                      the ones on my BN2.=C2=A0
                      <div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;m in the process if machining
                        them back to=C2=A0 balance now.=C2=A0</div>
                      <div dir=3D"auto">Bit of a task on my 12&quot; lathe =
but
                        it&#39;s happening.</div>
                    </div>
                    <br>
                    <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
                      <div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed., May 17=
,
                        2023, 8:46 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys,
                        &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                        wrote:</div>
                      <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                        <div dir=3D"auto">Don&#39;t grind it. Have it machi=
ned
                          off.
                          <div dir=3D"auto">Mike MacLean</div>
                        </div>
                        <br>
                        <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
                          <div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, May
                            17, 2023, 6:58 AM Richard Kahn &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:tahoehealey@hotmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">tahoehe=
aley@hotmail.com</a>&gt;
                            wrote:</div>
                          <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
>
                            <div dir=3D"ltr">
                              <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Hendrix welded
                                more material to my drums as needed and
                                it seems to have worked fine. I would
                                not like grinding off material as it
                                might affect the integrity of the drum
                                by making it thinner, effecting the heat
                                distribution and strength.=C2=A0 Just some
                                rambling from someone who doesn&#39;t know
                                what he is talking about.</div>
                              <div>=C2=A0</div>
                              <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">=C2=A0</div>
                              <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
                              <div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:11p=
t;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><strong>From:</strong>
                                  Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bou=
nces@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healey=
s-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                                  on behalf of <a href=3D"mailto:alfuller19=
4@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">alfuller194@gm=
ail.com</a>
                                  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alfuller194@gmail.c=
om" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">alfuller194@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;<br>
                                  <strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, May
                                  17, 2023 12:23 AM<br>
                                  <strong>To:</strong> &#39;Michael MacLean=
&#39;
                                  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:springer.mike51@gma=
il.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">springer.mike51@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                  <strong>Cc:</strong> &#39;Healey List&#39=
;
                                  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.=
net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net=
</a>&gt;<br>
                                  <strong>Subject:</strong> Re:
                                  [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was
                                  Wire Wheel Balancer</span>
                                <div>=C2=A0</div>
                              </div>
                              <div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;" lan=
g=3D"EN-US">
                                <div>
                                  <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:11pt;fon=
t-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Mike =E2=80=93 I would think
                                    that would be the likely explanation
                                    for having sections of the drum rim
                                    machined off.</p>
                                  <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:11pt;fon=
t-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p>
                                  <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:11pt;fon=
t-family:Calibri,sans-serif">----------------</p>
                                  <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:11pt;fon=
t-family:Calibri,sans-serif">All the best,</p>
                                  <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:11pt;fon=
t-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p>
                                  <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:11pt;fon=
t-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Al Fuller</p>
                                  <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:11pt;fon=
t-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p>
                                  <div style=3D"border-color:rgb(225,225,22=
5) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt =
medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
                                    <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><strong>From:</strong>
                                      Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:springer.mike51@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>springer.mike51@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                      <br>
                                      <strong>Sent:</strong> Tuesday,
                                      May 16, 2023 2:47 PM<br>
                                      <strong>To:</strong> <a href=3D"mailt=
o:alfuller194@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">al=
fuller194@gmail.com</a><br>
                                      <strong>Subject:</strong> Re:
                                      [Healeys] Brake Drum balance --
                                      was Wire Wheel Balancer</p>
                                  </div>
                                  <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:11pt;fon=
t-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p>
                                  <div>
                                    <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Al, list,=C2=A0</p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:11pt=
;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The drums for
                                        my BN2 has sections of the
                                        raised rim machined off. Does
                                        this mean my drums were balanced
                                        in the past?</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:11pt=
;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Mike MacLean</p>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:11pt;fon=
t-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:11pt=
;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On Tue, May 16,
                                        2023, 2:30 PM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:alfuller194@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">alf=
uller194@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                        wrote:</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <blockquote style=3D"border-color:curre=
ntcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none n=
one solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;mar=
gin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:=
11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Bob:=C2=A0 If you
                                            are wondering about brake
                                            drum balancing methods, you
                                            may be interested in the two
                                            methods used on my Healeys.</p>
                                          <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:=
11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p>
                                          <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:=
11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">One shop
                                            trimmed off the fins as
                                            needed to balance the drums,
                                            one needing more trimming
                                            than the other =E2=80=93 but th=
ey
                                            both came out well.</p>
                                          <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:=
11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p>
                                          <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:=
11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">A different
                                            shop welded rod material
                                            onto my current BJ-8=E2=80=99s =
drums
                                            to balance them. I think
                                            these drums were more out of
                                            balance than on prior cars.
                                            They were careful to call me
                                            ahead of the operation to
                                            ask how much clearance I had
                                            between the wheel and drum,
                                            and I was able to take them
                                            a wheel and hub so they
                                            could see how it all fit
                                            together.=C2=A0 The results are
                                            just fine, also.</p>
                                          <div>
                                            <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-siz=
e:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">----------------</p>
                                            <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-siz=
e:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">All the best,</p>
                                            <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-siz=
e:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p>
                                            <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-siz=
e:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Al Fuller</p>
                                          </div>
                                          <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:=
11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p>
                                          <div>
                                            <div style=3D"border-color:rgb(=
225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-=
width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
                                              <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-s=
ize:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><strong>From:</strong>
                                                Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer
                                                  noreferrer" target=3D"_bl=
ank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <strong>On
                                                  Behalf Of </strong>Bob
                                                Haskell via Healeys<br>
                                                <strong>Sent:</strong>
                                                Monday, May 15, 2023
                                                2:36 PM<br>
                                                <strong>To:</strong>
                                                Harold Manifold &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:manifold@telus.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer
                                                  noreferrer" target=3D"_bl=
ank">manifold@telus.net</a>&gt;; Healey List
                                                &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:heale=
ys@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer
                                                  noreferrer" target=3D"_bl=
ank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                                                <strong>Subject:</strong>
                                                Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel
                                                Balancer</p>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:=
11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p>
                                          <p style=3D"margin:0px">Harold,</=
p>
                                          <p style=3D"margin:0px">How
                                            did you balance the drums -
                                            add or remove material? Care
                                            to provide any details?</p>
                                          <pre>Bob Haskell</pre>
                                          <pre>Austin-Healey 3000 roadster =
registrar</pre>
                                          <div>
                                            <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-siz=
e:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On 5/15/23
                                              11:32, Harold Manifold
                                              wrote:</p>
                                          </div>
                                          <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5=
pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                            <div>
                                              <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-s=
ize:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Another
                                                consideration for
                                                balancing the rear tires
                                                is the brake drums. I
                                                have the original BMC
                                                brake drums and was
                                                surprised at how out of
                                                balance they were. I
                                                static balanced the
                                                brake drums to go with
                                                the separately=C2=A0balance=
d
                                                wheels and tires. No
                                                vibrations, shimmies or
                                                skuttle shakes so far.</p>
                                              <div>
                                                <p style=3D"margin:0px;font=
-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p style=3D"margin:0px;font=
-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Harold</p>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <p style=3D"margin:0px;font-siz=
e:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p style=3D"margin:0px;font=
-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On Mon,
                                                  May 15, 2023 at
                                                  12:34=E2=80=AFAM &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:greylinn@ozemail.com.au"; rel=3D"noreferrer
                                                    noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">greylinn@ozemail.com.au</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote style=3D"border-c=
olor:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:n=
one none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0=
in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt">
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">Here
                                                          in Brisbane
                                                          there=E2=80=99s a=
t
                                                          least one
                                                          place (near
                                                          me) that does
                                                          on-car
                                                          balancing. The
                                                          wheels on my
                                                          100 don=E2=80=99t=
 have
                                                          a central
                                                          hole, so can=E2=
=80=99t
                                                          be balanced on
                                                          a regular
                                                          machine. That
                                                          said, the last
                                                          set of Khumo
                                                          Ecowing ES31s
                                                          I bought are
                                                          fine with no
                                                          balancing!</span>=
</p>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">=C2=
=A0</span></p>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">Peter
                                                          Linn</span></p>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">Brisb=
ane</span></p>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">BN1
                                                          Holden V6</span><=
/p>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">MG
                                                          TC special</span>=
</p>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">=C2=
=A0</span></p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div style=3D"borde=
r-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none =
none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
                                                          <p style=3D"margi=
n:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><strong>From:</strong>
                                                          Healeys &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                                                          <strong>On
                                                          Behalf Of </stron=
g>m.g.sharp---
                                                          via Healeys<br>
                                                          <strong>Sent:</st=
rong>
                                                          Monday, May
                                                          15, 2023 1:07
                                                          PM<br>
                                                          <strong>To:</stro=
ng>
                                                          &#39;Harold
                                                          Manifold&#39; &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:manifold@telus.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">manifold@telus.net</a>&gt;; &#39;HealeyRick&#39;
                                                          &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:healeyrik@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">h=
ealeyrik@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                                          <strong>Cc:</stro=
ng>
                                                          &#39;Healeys&#39;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer=
" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                                                          <strong>Subject:<=
/strong>
                                                          Re: [Healeys]
                                                          Wire Wheel
                                                          Balancer</p>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">=C2=
=A0</span></p>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">I
                                                          made up my own
                                                          adaptor using
                                                          a used hub and
                                                          knock-off
                                                          (spinner).=C2=A0 =
I
                                                          had a
                                                          machinist
                                                          mount the hub
                                                          on the lathe
                                                          and ensure
                                                          that it was
                                                          true on the
                                                          inside edges
                                                          (where the
                                                          bearings fit)
                                                          and had him
                                                          put a slight
                                                          chamfer on the
                                                          edges to
                                                          provide better
                                                          registration
                                                          for the
                                                          standard cones
                                                          on a modern
                                                          balancer.=C2=A0
                                                          Then we
                                                          machined the
                                                          centre out of
                                                          the spinner
                                                          so=C2=A0 that whe=
n
                                                          the wheel is
                                                          mounted on the
                                                          hub and the
                                                          spinner is
                                                          tightened, the
                                                          outer cone on
                                                          the balancer
                                                          fits through
                                                          it and
                                                          registers on
                                                          the hub.=C2=A0 Th=
at
                                                          part is a
                                                          little tricky
                                                          as if you
                                                          machine the
                                                          hole too big,
                                                          the spinner
                                                          will end up in
                                                          two pieces =E2=80=
=93
                                                          measure
                                                          carefully!=C2=A0
                                                          Hub and
                                                          spinner was
                                                          $25 at a swap
                                                          meet and
                                                          machining was
                                                          $50.=C2=A0 I
                                                          believe this
                                                          adaptor will
                                                          work on any
                                                          post-war wire
                                                          wheels except
                                                          the Jags,
                                                          which had
                                                          different
                                                          hubs.=C2=A0 Worke=
d
                                                          a treat on my
                                                          TC wheels.=C2=A0
                                                          Healey is
                                                          running
                                                          vibration-free-
                                                          so leaving it
                                                          alone for now.</s=
pan></p>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">=C2=
=A0</span></p>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">I
                                                          too liked
                                                          on-wheel
                                                          balancing and
                                                          in my simple
                                                          thinking it
                                                          balanced the
                                                          drum or disk
                                                          at the same
                                                          time =E2=80=93 as=
 long
                                                          as you
                                                          remembered to
                                                          mark the
                                                          position of
                                                          the wheels
                                                          when you took
                                                          them off and
                                                          did not rotate
                                                          them (to a
                                                          different
                                                          position on
                                                          the car)!=C2=A0
                                                          That is likely
                                                          one reason
                                                          =C2=A0they are no=
t
                                                          used anymore,
                                                          because if
                                                          your drums
                                                          were out of
                                                          balance and
                                                          you added
                                                          weights to the
                                                          wheel that
                                                          balanced them
                                                          out, then
                                                          every time you
                                                          removed the
                                                          wheel, you=E2=80=
=99d
                                                          loose the
                                                          balance,
                                                          unless it went
                                                          back in
                                                          exactly the
                                                          same position.
                                                          =C2=A0=C2=A0Anyho=
w it=E2=80=99s
                                                          a moot point
                                                          as I have not
                                                          seen an
                                                          on-wheel
                                                          balancer for
                                                          decades. =C2=A0=
=C2=A0I
                                                          imagine that
                                                          disks run very
                                                          true anyhow,
                                                          but when I
                                                          balanced the
                                                          drums on the
                                                          TC=C2=A0 they wer=
e
                                                          significantly
                                                          off.=C2=A0 I hear
                                                          balancing
                                                          Healey drums
                                                          brings good
                                                          results, but
                                                          never felt the
                                                          need as my BT7
                                                          has always run
                                                          pretty
                                                          smooth.=C2=A0 If
                                                          anyone in
                                                          Ontario
                                                          (Canada) wants
                                                          drums
                                                          balanced,
                                                          Garland and
                                                          Sons in
                                                          Scarborough
                                                          did great work
                                                          for me.</span></p=
>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">=C2=
=A0</span></p>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Mirek=
</span></p>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">=C2=
=A0</span></p>
                                                      <div style=3D"border-=
color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none no=
ne;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
                                                        <p style=3D"margin:=
0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><strong>From:</strong>
                                                          Healeys &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                                                          <strong>On
                                                          Behalf Of </stron=
g>Harold
                                                          Manifold<br>
                                                          <strong>Sent:</st=
rong>
                                                          Thursday, May
                                                          11, 2023 11:35
                                                          AM<br>
                                                          <strong>To:</stro=
ng>
                                                          HealeyRick
                                                          &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:healeyrik@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">h=
ealeyrik@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                                          <strong>Cc:</stro=
ng>
                                                          Healeys &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                                                          <strong>Subject:<=
/strong>
                                                          Re: [Healeys]
                                                          Wire Wheel
                                                          Balancer</p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">=C2=
=A0</span></p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p style=3D"margin:=
0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">It
                                                          looks like the
                                                          kit is
                                                          designed to
                                                          follow=C2=A0the
                                                          Dunlop/MWS
                                                          recommendations
                                                          for balancing.
                                                          See attached.
                                                          It should be a
                                                          good piece of
                                                          kit.</span></p>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p style=3D"margi=
n:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">=
=C2=A0</span></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p style=3D"margi=
n:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">H=
arold</span></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <p style=3D"margin:0p=
x;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">=C2=
=A0</span></p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p style=3D"margi=
n:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">O=
n
                                                          Thu, May 11,
                                                          2023 at
                                                          8:28=E2=80=AFAM
                                                          HealeyRick via
                                                          Healeys &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <blockquote style=
=3D"border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);bo=
rder-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;paddi=
ng:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p style=3D"margi=
n:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">A=
H
                                                          Spares just
                                                          sent out this
                                                          email about a
                                                          wire wheel
                                                          balancer kit
                                                          to mount the
                                                          wheels on a
                                                          modern
                                                          balancing
                                                          machine.=C2=A0 Wh=
at
                                                          are your
                                                          thoughts?=C2=A0=
=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels=
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