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Re: [Healeys] FW: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring

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From: John Vrugtman via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
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That's somewhat similar to a local truck tire center's machine they use 
to true tires.  Instead of that cup blade it had a disk that spun.  It 
had a ready stone sharpener mounted so they could sharpen it regularly.  
It was adoptable to car tires and I had them do ours.

John
Hightown, VA

On 10/25/2022 4:46 PM, Michael Salter wrote:
> Better still here is a couple of pics of the "business end" of the 
> machine.
> It's quite apparent that whoever built this knew what they were doing.
> The very solidly mounted cup shaped cutter, which is driven by a 2/3 
> HP motor at 1750 RPM shaves very thin flakes off the tire which is 
> rotated at about 120 RPM by a second motor.
> The cutting edge of the blade is at exactly center height of the wheel 
> and its position, X & Y, is controlled by handwheels.
> The cutter is also set at a very specific angle to the surface of the 
> tread being shaved.
> It has a profile guide mechanism which controls the "crowning" of the 
> tread.
> It's a fairly "industrial" piece of equipment.
> I learned very quickly that the blade has to be kept razor sharp and 
> that any type of stone, no matter how small, is your enemy.
>
> M
>
> On Tue., Oct. 25, 2022, 4:26 p.m. , <warthodson@aol.com> wrote:
>
>     Michael,
>     Can you please describe the tool that actually shaves the tire?
>     does it work like a chisel or a lathe with a pointed tipped tool?
>     Gary Hodson
>
>     pointed
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
>     To: Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
>     Cc: Austin Healey <healeys@autox.team.net>
>     Sent: Tue, Oct 25, 2022 1:08 pm
>     Subject: Re: [Healeys] FW: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring
>
>     In my continuing efforts to remove the last traces of scuttle
>     shake whilst retaining my original flat center wire wheels I have
>     acquired a Kemsway Tire Conditioner that is about 60 years old but
>     was state of the art for tire shaving in its day.
>     I've spent the week reconditioning it whith new bearings,  a new
>     drive motor and various other things.
>     Yesterday I turned up a pair of adaptors to accept wire wheels.
>     I shaved my first tire this morning and am delighted with the results.
>
>     On Tue., Oct. 25, 2022, 11:19 a.m. , <alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         Great! Inquiring minds want to know â?? what did you need to do?
>         ----------------
>         All the best,
>         Al Fuller
>         *From:* Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
>         *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2022 7:59 AM
>         *To:* Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
>         *Cc:* Austin Healey <healeys@autox.team.net>
>         *Subject:* Re: FW: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring
>         Thank you all who responded to my request for help.
>         With guidance from several and in particular Oliver Viitamaki
>         I have managed to figure out the wiring and the machine is
>         running beautifully.
>         M
>         On Tue., Oct. 25, 2022, 10:41 a.m. , <alfuller194@gmail.com>
>         wrote:
>
>             Michael:  I havenâ??t gotten much response on the shop talk
>             list, but this seems helpful:
>             â??I'm not familiar with your application but a typical
>             reversable AC motor is controlled by a SPST center-off
>             switch.  The motor has three leads.  One is connected to
>             neutral directly.  The other tow wires have a run
>             capacitor connected between them. Applying power to one of
>             these two leads will make the motor run in one direction
>             and applying power to the other lead will make the motor
>             run in the opposite direction.  There should be a label on
>             the motor somewhere indicating which wire is which.â??
>             ----------------
>             All the best,
>             Al Fuller
>             *From:* DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
>             *Sent:* Saturday, October 22, 2022 4:56 AM
>             *To:* alfuller194@gmail.com; Shop-talk@autox.team.net
>             *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring
>             I'm not familiar with your application but a typical
>             reversable AC motor is controlled by a SPST center-off
>             switch. The motor has three leads.  One is connected to
>             neutral directly. The other tow wires have a run capacitor
>             connected between them. Applying power to one of these two
>             leads will make the motor run in one direction and
>             applying power to the other lead will make the motor run
>             in the opposite direction. There should be a label on the
>             motor somewhere indicating which wire is which.
>             Dave
>             -----Original Message-----
>             From: alfuller194@gmail.com
>             To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
>             Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2022 3:07 pm
>             Subject: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring
>             Posting for a friend:
>             I have purchased an old machine named a Kemsway Tire
>             Conditioner.
>             I'm overhauling it to hopefully use to shave tires on wire
>             wheels.
>             I have all the mechanical issues resolved but am stumped
>             when it comes to rewiring the 110 volt single phase
>             reversable cutter motor.
>             Anyone out there who is knowledgeable on AC motor wiring
>             who would be prepared to offer some assistance.
>             ----------------
>             All the best,
>             Al Fuller
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    That's somewhat similar to a local truck tire center's machine they
    use to true tires.  Instead of that cup blade it had a disk that
    spun.  It had a ready stone sharpener mounted so they could sharpen
    it regularly.  It was adoptable to car tires and I had them do ours.<br>
    <br>
    John<br>
    Hightown, VA <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/25/2022 4:46 PM, Michael Salter
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAB3i7LLPB4UZ_dxBddxRhN-miA2OWYSodOw+NkkYxUBsNFbbJg@mail.gmail.com">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      <div dir="auto">Better still here is a couple of pics of the
        "business end" of the machine. 
        <div dir="auto">
          <div dir="auto">It's quite apparent that whoever built this
            knew what they were doing.</div>
          <div dir="auto">The very solidly mounted cup shaped cutter, 
            which is driven by a 2/3 HP motor at 1750 RPM shaves very
            thin flakes off the tire which is rotated at about 120 RPM
            by a second motor.</div>
          <div dir="auto">The cutting edge of the blade is at exactly
            center height of the wheel and its position, X &amp; Y, is
            controlled by handwheels.</div>
          <div dir="auto">The cutter is also set at a very specific
            angle to the surface of the tread being shaved.</div>
          <div dir="auto">It has a profile guide mechanism which
            controls the "crowning" of the tread.</div>
          <div dir="auto">It's a fairly "industrial" piece of equipment.</div>
          <div dir="auto">I learned very quickly that the blade has to
            be kept razor sharp and that any type of stone, no matter
            how small, is your enemy.</div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto">M</div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue., Oct. 25, 2022, 4:26
          p.m. , &lt;<a href="mailto:warthodson@aol.com";
            moz-do-not-send="true" 
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">warthodson@aol.com</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
          <div style="color:black;font:12pt Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">Michael,
            <div>Can you please describe the tool that actually shaves
              the tire? does it work like a chisel or a lathe with a
              pointed tipped tool?</div>
            <div>Gary Hodson <br>
              <br>
              pointed <br>
              <div
                
style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font
                  size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
                  From: Michael Salter &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";
                    target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" 
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                  To: Al Fuller &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com"; target="_blank"
                    rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
                    
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">alfuller194@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                  Cc: Austin Healey &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
                    rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
                    
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                  Sent: Tue, Oct 25, 2022 1:08 pm<br>
                  Subject: Re: [Healeys] FW: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor
                  wiring<br>
                  <br>
                  <div id="m_2247488356830002377yiv5239443811">
                    <div>
                      <div>In my continuing efforts to remove the last
                        traces of scuttle shake whilst retaining my
                        original flat center wire wheels I have acquired
                        a Kemsway Tire Conditioner that is about 60
                        years old but was state of the art for tire
                        shaving in its day.
                        <div>I've spent the week reconditioning it whith
                          new bearings,  a new drive motor and various
                          other things.</div>
                        <div>Yesterday I turned up a pair of adaptors to
                          accept wire wheels.</div>
                        <div>I shaved my first tire this morning and am
                          delighted with the results.</div>
                      </div>
                      <br clear="none">
                      <div
                        id="m_2247488356830002377yiv5239443811yqt57328">
                        <div>
                          <div dir="ltr">On Tue., Oct. 25, 2022, 11:19
                            a.m. , &lt;<a rel="nofollow noopener
                              noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect"
                              href="mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com";
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                              
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">alfuller194@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                            wrote:<br clear="none">
                          </div>
                          <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0
                            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                            solid;padding-left:1ex">
                            <div style="word-wrap:break-word"
                              lang="EN-US">
                              <div>
                                <div>Great! Inquiring minds want to know
                                  â?? what did you need to do?</div>
                                <div> </div>
                                <div>----------------</div>
                                <div>All the best,</div>
                                <div> </div>
                                <div>Al Fuller</div>
                                <div> </div>
                                <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
                                  #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in
                                  0in">
                                  <div><b>From:</b> Michael Salter &lt;<a
                                      rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer
                                      noreferrer" shape="rect"
                                      href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                    <br clear="none">
                                    <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 25,
                                    2022 7:59 AM<br clear="none">
                                    <b>To:</b> Al Fuller &lt;<a
                                      rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer
                                      noreferrer" shape="rect"
                                      href="mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com";
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">alfuller194@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br
                                      clear="none">
                                    <b>Cc:</b> Austin Healey &lt;<a
                                      rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer
                                      noreferrer" shape="rect"
                                      href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br
                                      clear="none">
                                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: FW: [Shop-talk]
                                    110 v motor wiring</div>
                                </div>
                                <div> </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>Thank you all who responded to my
                                    request for help. </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>With guidance from several and
                                      in particular Oliver Viitamaki I
                                      have managed to figure out the
                                      wiring and the machine is running
                                      beautifully. </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div> </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>M</div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div> </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>On Tue., Oct. 25, 2022, 10:41
                                      a.m. , &lt;<a rel="nofollow
                                        noopener noreferrer noreferrer"
                                        shape="rect"
                                        href="mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com";
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">alfuller194@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                      wrote:</div>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote
                                    style="border:none;border-left:solid
                                    #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in
                                    6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>Michael:  I havenâ??t gotten
                                          much response on the shop talk
                                          list, but this seems helpful:</div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div>â??<span
                                            
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black">I'm
                                            not familiar with your
                                            application but a typical
                                            reversable AC motor is
                                            controlled by a SPST
                                            center-off switch.  The
                                            motor has three leads.  One
                                            is connected to neutral
                                            directly.  The other tow
                                            wires have a run capacitor
                                            connected between them. 
                                            Applying power to one of
                                            these two leads will make
                                            the motor run in one
                                            direction and applying power
                                            to the other lead will make
                                            the motor run in the
                                            opposite direction.  There
                                            should be a label on the
                                            motor somewhere indicating
                                            which wire is which.â??</span></div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div>----------------</div>
                                        <div>All the best,</div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div>Al Fuller</div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div
                                          style="border:none;border-top:solid
                                          #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt
                                          0in 0in 0in">
                                          <div><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY
                                            &lt;<a rel="nofollow
                                              noopener noreferrer
                                              noreferrer" shape="rect"
                                              href="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt;
                                            <br clear="none">
                                            <b>Sent:</b> Saturday,
                                            October 22, 2022 4:56 AM<br
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href="mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com";
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                                            <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                            [Shop-talk] 110 v motor
                                            wiring</div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div><span
                                                
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black">I'm
                                                not familiar with your
                                                application but a
                                                typical reversable AC
                                                motor is controlled by a
                                                SPST center-off switch. 
                                                The motor has three
                                                leads.  One is connected
                                                to neutral directly. 
                                                The other tow wires have
                                                a run capacitor
                                                connected between them. 
                                                Applying power to one of
                                                these two leads will
                                                make the motor run in
                                                one direction and
                                                applying power to the
                                                other lead will make the
                                                motor run in the
                                                opposite direction. 
                                                There should be a label
                                                on the motor somewhere
                                                indicating which wire is
                                                which.</span></div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div><span
                                                
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black"> </span></div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div><span
                                                      
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black">Dave
                                                    </span></div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div><span
                                                      
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black"> </span></div>
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                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div><span
                                                
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                                                Subject: [Shop-talk] 110
                                                v motor wiring</span></div>
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                                                  <div>
                                                    <div><span
                                                        
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black">Posting
                                                        for a 
friend:</span></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div><span
                                                        
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black"> </span></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div><span
                                                        
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black">I
                                                        have purchased
                                                        an old machine
                                                        named a Kemsway
                                                        Tire
                                                        
Conditioner. </span></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div><span
                                                        
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black">I'm
                                                        overhauling it
                                                        to hopefully use
                                                        to shave tires
                                                        on wire 
wheels.</span></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div><span
                                                        
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black">I
                                                        have all the
                                                        mechanical
                                                        issues resolved
                                                        but am stumped
                                                        when it comes to
                                                        rewiring the 110
                                                        volt single
                                                        phase reversable
                                                        cutter 
motor.</span></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div><span
                                                        
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black">Anyone
                                                        out there who is
                                                        knowledgeable on
                                                        AC motor wiring
                                                        who would be
                                                        prepared to
                                                        offer some
                                                        
assistance. </span></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div><span
                                                        
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black"> </span></div>
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