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So what is unique to a fuel stop besides the fuel? Adding weight to the
boot area, opening the boot lid, removing the filler cap. What else?
An unvented filler cap could restrict fuel flow. Extra weight and even
opening the boot lid could shift some recalcitrant ground or other
connection or loose shorted wire. Maybe even at the battery switch.
-Roland
On Thu, Sep 29, 2022, 8:12 PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
wrote:
> BUT ... the fact that full throttle and climbing a slope with no change i=
n
> the amount of misfiring tends to negate fuel blockage as a cause.
> I'm starting to think that the refueling situation is something of a "red
> herring" although it certainly is an odd one.
>
> On Thu., Sep. 29, 2022, 9:23 p.m. Alan Seigrist, <healey.nut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Good point. I had a very similar experience when I had mistakenly used
>> high heat silicone to seal the fuel tank sender, and I didn=E2=80=99t kn=
ow that
>> fuel caused flakes of it to fall off and plug the pickup intermittently.
>>
>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 4:38 AM, Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had a similar miss that was caused by a leaf that had gotten into the
>>> tank. It would be pulled against the pickup by fuel flow and cause the
>>> engine to lose power on all cylinders, as opposed to a miss. When I ei=
ther
>>> got off the gas pedal or shut the engine down the leaf would apparently
>>> fall away from the pickup and everything would be fine until the leaf w=
as
>>> once again pulled against the pickup, etc. etc.
>>>
>>> I empirically came up with this theory after I pulled the fuel sender,
>>> searched around in the tank with a flashlight and found the leaf, and a=
fter
>>> I removed it the miss went away. How the leaf got into the tank when t=
he
>>> fuel filler is inside the boot is a larger issue I never figured out.
>>>
>>> Best--Michael Oritt
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 11:01 AM Don Anglesey via Healeys <
>>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I suspect that when the tank is filled any sediment or debris around
>>>> the tank intake is redistributed thru the fuel then it settles again.
>>>> Classic sign of bad fuel filter or sediment in tank.
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> *From: *Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 29, 2022 8:10 AM
>>>> *To: *Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>
>>>> *Cc: *Healey list <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Austin Healey 100 Misfire Diagnosis.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to all who have obviously given this misfire issue considerable
>>>> thought. I will be sure to check all suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> I should like to point out however that it is the immediate vanishing
>>>> of the misfire after filling the fuel tank that has me confused.
>>>>
>>>> This has happened three times simce the problem appeared.
>>>>
>>>> I just don't understand how an ignition problem could change as a
>>>> result of filling the tank.
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore I'm convinced that this is not a fuel starvation problem
>>>> because the amount of engine power being used has no effect.
>>>>
>>>> Totally baffled.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again to all ... I'll report back.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu., Sep. 29, 2022, 9:14 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys, <
>>>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi John -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that was the point I was trying to make, sorry if it fell through
>>>> bad interpretation! As Ed McMahon used to say, "You Are Correct Sir!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 7:53 PM john harper <ah100tech@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Coils can fail with heat and then recover when cooled. I had one that
>>>> had these symptoms and when looking closely I saw that the insulating =
oil
>>>> had run out through a very small crack in the bottom of the case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 29 Sept 2022 at 10:34, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Michael -
>>>>
>>>> Just as a follow up to my email since the symptoms seem to manifest
>>>> themself ...
>>>>
>>>> - whether the car is warmed up or not - this typically will exclude
>>>> anything related to fuel or the coil
>>>> - whether the car is under load or not - this typically will
>>>> exclude anything related to fuel
>>>> - whether the choke is pulled or not - this typically will exclude
>>>> anything related to fuel
>>>> - somewhat intermittent but systematically under all conditions -
>>>> suggests to me wiring / ground issues
>>>>
>>>> Given this I'd check (as a priority):
>>>>
>>>> - Battery Master (when these fail they will ground the coil)
>>>> - primary ignition wire (white) from the switch to coil (cycle the
>>>> connections)
>>>> - motor ground straps (cycle the connections)
>>>> - loose wires in the dizzy
>>>> - loose ignition wires into the dizzy or spark plug
>>>>
>>>> Other things to possibly do (as secondary):
>>>>
>>>> - replace rotor
>>>> - replace dizzy cap
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it would be contacts or condensor simply because this
>>>> would either be very regular all the time, or maybe sensitive to temp.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 4:46 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> re: "... I don=E2=80=99t recall if that wire is separate from the dist=
ributor
>>>> wire ..."
>>>>
>>>> It is (or should be). If the battery switch is in the 'OFF' position i=
t
>>>> grounds the coil primary so no spark.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Michael -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have you tried cycling the connections on the white wire from the
>>>> ignition switch to the coil, and also from the coil to the distributor=
.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You might also want to try disconnecting the black and white wire at
>>>> the coil from the battery master switch - if it=E2=80=99s failing you=
=E2=80=99ll get weird
>>>> symptoms like this. If that wire is disconnected the car should run n=
o
>>>> problem. I don=E2=80=99t recall if that wire is separate from the dis=
tributor
>>>> wire, if it isn=E2=80=99t you=E2=80=99ll have to disconnect it from un=
derneath the master
>>>> switch itself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">So what is unique to a fuel stop besides the fuel?=C2=A0 =
Adding weight to the boot area, opening the boot lid, removing the filler c=
ap.=C2=A0 What else?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">An unvent=
ed filler cap could restrict fuel flow.=C2=A0 Extra weight=C2=A0 and even o=
pening the boot lid could shift some recalcitrant ground or other connectio=
n or loose shorted wire. Maybe even at the battery switch.=C2=A0</div><div =
dir=3D"auto">-Roland</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022, 8:12 PM Michael Salter <=
<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";>michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">BUT ... th=
e fact that full throttle and climbing a slope with no change in the amount=
of misfiring tends to negate fuel blockage as a cause.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"au=
to">I'm starting to think that the refueling situation is something of =
a "red herring" although it certainly is an odd one.</div></div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu.=
, Sep. 29, 2022, 9:23 p.m. Alan Seigrist, <<a href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healey.nut@gmail.com</a>>=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Good poi=
nt.=C2=A0 I had a very similar experience when I had mistakenly used high h=
eat silicone to seal the fuel tank sender, and I didn=E2=80=99t know that f=
uel caused flakes of it to fall off and plug the pickup intermittently.</di=
v><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 4:38 AM, Michael Oritt <<a href=3D"mailto:michae=
l.oritt@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">michael.=
oritt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div=
dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I had a s=
imilar miss that was caused by a leaf that had gotten into the tank.=C2=A0 =
It would be pulled against the pickup by fuel flow and cause the engine to =
lose power on all cylinders, as opposed to a miss.=C2=A0 When I either got =
off the gas pedal or shut the engine down the leaf would apparently fall aw=
ay from the pickup and everything would be fine until the leaf was once aga=
in pulled against the pickup, etc. etc.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"color:#3333ff">I empirically came up with this theory after I pulled th=
e fuel sender, searched around in the tank with a flashlight and found the =
leaf, and after I removed it the miss went away.=C2=A0 How the leaf got int=
o the tank when the fuel filler is inside the boot is a larger issue I neve=
r figured out.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><b=
r></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael =
Oritt</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 11:01 AM Don Angles=
ey via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>=
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div></div></blockquote></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I suspect that when the tank is filled any sediment =
or debris around the tank intake is redistributed thru the fuel then it set=
tles again.=C2=A0 Classic sign of bad fuel filter or sediment in tank.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Don</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink=
/?LinkId=3D550986" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">
Mail</a> for Windows</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">Michael Salter</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, September 29, 2022 8:10 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer norefe=
rrer" target=3D"_blank">Alan Seigrist</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">Healey list</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Austin Healey 100 Misfire Diagnosis.</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks to all who have obviously given this misfire =
issue considerable thought. I will be sure to check all suggestions.=C2=A0<=
u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=C2=A0 should like to point out however that it is =
the immediate vanishing of the misfire after filling the fuel tank that has=
me confused.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This has happened three times simce the problem appe=
ared.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I just don't understand how an ignition problem =
could change as a result of filling the tank.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Furthermore I'm convinced that this is not a fue=
l starvation problem because the amount of engine power being used has no e=
ffect.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Totally baffled.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks again to all ... I'll=C2=A0 report back.<=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu., Sep. 29, 2022, 9:14 a.m. Alan Seigrist via =
Healeys, <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u>=
</u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi John -<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, that was the point I was trying to make, sorry =
if it fell through bad interpretation!=C2=A0 As Ed McMahon used to say, &qu=
ot;You Are Correct Sir!"<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 7:53 PM john harper <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:ah100tech@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"=
_blank">ah100tech@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Coils can fail with heat and then recover when coole=
d. I had one that had these symptoms and when looking closely I saw that th=
e insulating oil had run out through a very small=C2=A0crack in the bottom =
of the case.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, 29 Sept 2022 at 10:34, Alan Seigrist <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">healey.nut@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michael -<br>
<br>
Just as a follow up to my email since the symptoms seem to manifest themsel=
f=C2=A0=C2=A0...=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">
whether the car is warmed up or not - this typically will exclude anything =
related to fuel or the coil<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
whether the car is under load or not - this typically will exclude anything=
related to fuel<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
whether the choke is pulled or not - this typically will exclude anything r=
elated to fuel<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
somewhat intermittent but systematically under all conditions - suggests to=
me wiring / ground issues<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Given this I'd check (as a priority):<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">
Battery Master (when these fail they will ground the coil)<u></u><u></u></l=
i><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
primary ignition wire (white) from the switch to coil (cycle the connection=
s)<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
motor ground straps (cycle the connections)<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"=
MsoNormal">
loose wires in the dizzy<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
loose ignition=C2=A0wires into the dizzy or spark plug<u></u><u></u></li></=
ul>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Other things to possibly do (as secondary):<u></u><u=
></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">
replace rotor<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
replace dizzy cap<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don't think it would be contacts or condensor =
simply because this would either be very regular=C2=A0all the time, or mayb=
e sensitive to temp.<br>
<br>
Best,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 4:46 PM Bob Spidell <<a h=
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"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">re: "... I don=E2=
=80=99t recall if that wire is separate from the distributor wire ..."=
<br>
<br>
It is (or should be). If the battery switch is in the 'OFF' positio=
n it grounds the coil primary so no spark.<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:<u></u><u>=
</u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Michael -<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have you tried cycling the connections on the white =
wire from the ignition switch to the coil, and also from the coil to the di=
stributor.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You might also want to try disconnecting the black a=
nd white wire at the coil from the battery master switch - if it=E2=80=99s =
failing you=E2=80=99ll get weird symptoms like this.=C2=A0 If that wire is =
disconnected the car should run no problem.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t recall
if that wire is separate from the distributor wire, if it isn=E2=80=99t yo=
u=E2=80=99ll have to disconnect it from underneath the master switch itself=
.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
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