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One more ...
I have a Pertronix in both my BN2 and BJ8, and both have otherwise
original--stranded copper wire core--secondaries. I haven't had any
issues with either and the Pertronix solid core caveat about metal core
wires makes no sense to me; the primary system and secondary ignition
systems are electrically isolated from each other by the coil (any EEs
out there know otherwise?). Having a specific impedance in the coil does
make sense, but both my coils are OEM as well.
On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote:
> Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm
> one of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a
> question about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a
> change in plug wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon
> fiber. So how can those of you going back and forth from points to
> Pertronix doing it? Or, are you just sticking with the solid core wires?
> I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor"
> wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the
> condensor, it fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though
> I did get a backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up.
> I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put
> everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it
> in the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close
> as possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out,
> made the slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game.
> I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which
> was a bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it,
> put it back together and it now works just fine and now if I have
> trouble on the side of the road, I have a spare distributor to switch
> out.
> But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire
> question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor.
> Or am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit.
> Thanks!
> Steven Kingsbury
> BN1
>
>> On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points alongside
>> the road in the dark. If you don't get the stack of insulating
>> washers and parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy
>> to drop one of the bits down and under the car--with the same result.
>>
>> I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey
>> about twenty years ago with absolutely no issue other than a cracked
>> external ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced the
>> module simply because I did not want to push my luck any further. On
>> long trips I carry a spare distributor with drive dog attached,
>> allowing for quick and easy replacement and no need to worry about
>> timing so long as I pay careful attention to the positions of the
>> rotor and distributor body when switching things out.
>>
>> On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure
>> mode is almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier
>> whereas with points there is one more component (the condenser) plus
>> very often when points ignitions go bad the problem is often partial
>> and/or intermittent, resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose
>> the problem with more sessions lost due to having more possibilities
>> to eliminate.
>>
>> Best--Michael Oritt
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys
>> <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car
>> would not have been disabled due to the points failing".
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dwflagg--- via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> To: ahbn6@verizon.net
>> Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
>> Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy
>>
>>
>> *Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I
>> came upon a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a
>> fraternity brother's wedding. This was before cell phones.
>> Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of tow trucks and
>> **exorbitant fees. It was **determined**Â there was no spark. With
>> no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the
>> **points,**Â and were both on our **way! Try**Â that with a
>> Pertronix unit!*
>>
>> *Doug*
>>
>>
>> *To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in
>> Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A
>> highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a
>> rubber band. I limped home 15 miles â?? put on another rotor and
>> kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel
>> shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit*
>>
>> **
>> *John Sims*
>> *www.healey6.com <http://www.healey6.com/>*
>> *Matawan, NJ*
>> **
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of
>> *Jim Ryan
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM
>> *To:* patrick williams <2x2doc@gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* List Healey <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy
>>
>> Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original
>> points has always been that you can replace the points in the
>> event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it
>> to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare,
>> and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958
>> Bugeye here.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my
>> distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put
>> in a pertronix unit. I'm very happy with the results.
>> Pat Williams
>> 1960 BT7
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One more ...<br>
<br>
I have a Pertronix in both my BN2 and BJ8, and both have otherwise
original--stranded copper wire core--secondaries. I haven't had any
issues with either and the Pertronix solid core caveat about metal
core wires makes no sense to me; the primary system and secondary
ignition systems are electrically isolated from each other by the
coil (any EEs out there know otherwise?). Having a specific
impedance in the coil does make sense, but both my coils are OEM as
well.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Steven Kingsbury
via Healeys wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com">
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<div>
<div>Been watching this entertaining discussion from the
sidelines and I'm one of those: "it's your car, do what you
want" guys, but I have a question about the Pertronix shift.
According to the directions, a change in plug wires is
required. From solid core copper to carbon fiber. So how can
those of you going back and forth from points to Pertronix
doing it? Or, are you just sticking with the solid core
wires? <br>
</div>
<div>I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the
"ignitor" wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression
for the condensor, it fit way off not quite 180 degrees but
close, and though I did get a backfire, I never got the car to
run and gave up.<br>
</div>
<div>I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything
up, put everything back together, refit it with new points and
reinstalled it in the car using the cell phone photos I took
to get it back as close as possible and bam!, she fired right
up! Got my timing light out, made the slightest adjustment and
I'm back in the game.<br>
</div>
<div>I have since been able to buy another distributor from a
BN1, which was a bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it
apart, clean it, put it back together and it now works just
fine and now if I have trouble on the side of the road, I have
a spare distributor to switch out. <br>
</div>
<div>But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the
solid core wire question is still in my mind. As well as the
placement of the ignitor. Or am I just using the wrong
Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. Thanks!<br>
</div>
<div>Steven Kingsbury <br>
</div>
<div>BN1</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com";><michael.oritt@gmail.com></a>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="color:#3333ff" class="gmail_default">I've had
the pleasure of replacing a set of contact
points alongside the road in the dark. If you don't get
the stack of insulating washers and parts correct you
are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to drop one of
the bits down and under the car--with the same result.  <br>
</div>
<div style="color:#3333ff" class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div style="color:#3333ff" class="gmail_default">I put a
Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey
about twenty years ago with absolutely no issue other
than a cracked external ballast resistor and about three
years ago I replaced the module simply because I did not
want to push my luck any further. On long trips I carry
a spare distributor with drive dog attached, allowing
for quick and easy replacement and no need to worry
about timing so long as I pay careful attention to the
positions of the rotor and distributor body when
switching things out.<br>
</div>
<div style="color:#3333ff" class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div style="color:#3333ff" class="gmail_default">On my
race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the
failure mode is almost always total which makes
diagnosis much easier whereas with points there is one
more component (the condenser) plus very often when
points ignitions go bad the problem is often partial
and/or intermittent, resulting in more time lost trying
to diagnose the problem with more sessions lost due to
having more possibilities to eliminate. <br>
</div>
<div style="color:#3333ff" class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div style="color:#3333ff" class="gmail_default">Best--Michael
Oritt<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at
8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys <<a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<div style="color:black;font:12pt "Comic Sans
MS",sans-serif">
<div>Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the
answer is: "the car would not have been disabled due
to the points failing". <br>
</div>
<div> Gary<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><span
style="font-size:13px" class="size">
<div>-----Original Message-----<br>
</div>
<div> From: dwflagg--- via Healeys <<a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>
</div>
<div> To: <a href="mailto:ahbn6@verizon.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ahbn6@verizon.net</a><br>
</div>
<div> Cc: <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
</div>
<div> Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm<br>
</div>
<div> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
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id="gmail-m_-7552218057579924020gmail-m_1594055351053211080gmail-m_-5893998475483822937yiv3368558838">
<div>
<div><b><span style=""><span
style="font-size:12pt" class="size">Also,
years ago whilst traveling the New
York State Thruway I came upon a
disabled Austin Healey whilst driving
my own to a fraternity brother's
wedding. This was before cell phones.
Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of
tow trucks and </span></span></b><b
style="font-size:16px">exorbitant fees. It
was </b><span style=""><span
style="font-size:16px"
class="size"><b>determined</b></span></span><b
style="font-size:16px">Â there was no
spark. With no tools but just a nail
clipper with a nail file, we filed the </b><span
style=""><span style="font-size:16px"
class="size"><b>points,</b></span></span><b
style="font-size:16px">Â and were both on
our </b><span style=""><span
style="font-family:"Arial
Black", sans-serif" class="font"><span
style="font-size:12pt" class="size"><span
style=""><span
style="font-size:16px"
class="size"><b>way! Try</b></span><span
style="font-family:"Arial
Black", sans-serif"
class="font"><span style=""><span
style="font-size:12pt"
class="size"><b>Â that with a
Pertronix
unit!</b></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br>
</div>
<div>Â <br>
</div>
<div><b><span style=""><span
style="font-size:12pt"
class="size">Doug</span></span></b><br>
</div>
<h1><b style="font-size:10pt"><span style=""><span
style="font-family:"Arial
Black", sans-serif" class="font"><span
style="font-size:12pt" class="size">To
add more fuel to the fire, while
driving on the freeway in Las Vegas
years ago I had the rotor on my BN6
split in two. A highway patrolman
stopped and repaired it with super
glue and a rubber band. I limped
home 15 miles â?? put on another rotor
and kept a spare for safety and the
repaired one in the parcel shelve
for memories. Try that with a
Pertronix unit</span></span></span></b><br>
</h1>
<div>
<div><b><span style=""><span
style="font-family:"Arial
Black", sans-serif"
class="font"><span
style="font-size:12pt"
class="size">Â </span></span></span></b><br>
</div>
<div><b><span style=""><span
style="font-family:"Arial
Black", sans-serif"
class="font"><span
style="font-size:12pt"
class="size">John
Sims</span></span></span></b><br>
</div>
<div><b><span style=""><span
style="font-family:"Arial
Black", sans-serif"
class="font"><span
style="font-size:12pt"
class="size"><a
href="http://www.healey6.com/";
shape="rect" rel="noopener
noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">www.healey6.com</span></a></span></span></span></b><br>
</div>
<div><b><span style=""><span
style="font-family:"Arial
Black", sans-serif"
class="font"><span
style="font-size:12pt"
class="size">Matawan,
NJ</span></span></span></b><br>
</div>
<div><b><span style=""><span
style="font-family:"Arial
Black", sans-serif"
class="font"><span
style="font-size:12pt"
class="size">Â </span></span></span></b><br>
</div>
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0in">
<div>
<div><b>From:</b> Healeys <<a
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Ryan<br>
</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 29,
2022 10:12 AM<br>
</div>
<div><b>To:</b> patrick williams <<a
href="mailto:2x2doc@gmail.com";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">2x2doc@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<div><b>Cc:</b> List Healey <<a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>
</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys]
Distributor guy<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>Â <br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Just wondering, the debate between
this unit and the original points has
always been that you can replace the
points in the event of a failure on the
side of the road. How difficult is it to
replace this unit in the same manner if
you carried a spare, and what would the
cost be for that spare? I'm referring to
a1958 Bugeye here.<br>
</div>
</div>
<div>Â <br>
</div>
<div>
<div
id="gmail-m_-7552218057579924020gmail-m_1594055351053211080gmail-m_-5893998475483822937yiv3368558838yqt58837">
<div>
<div>On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM
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<div>It's been close to 20 years
ago, but Jeff rebuilt my
distributor, including the vacuum
advance diaphram, and put in a
pertronix unit. I'm very happy
with the results.<br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Pat Williams<br>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>1960 BT7<br>
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href="http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys";>http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys</a>
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href="mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net";>Healeys@autox.team.net</a>
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href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys";>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys</a>
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