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Re: [Healeys] Front Shocks stress

To: "'Bob Spidell'" <bspidell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Front Shocks stress
From: Henry G Leach via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 00:36:52 +0000 /7wpG+VUX2r2cmf3z4EIdkhjz+fIDm5tFcyFLYh/oLyHzcBdLGRR6QtogMiSL94/Te2yNwQhyv4+rELUL4v07n6EJrpe3pQjToM=
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Bob-agree, the (steel) block is used when building up the suspension.=0A=
However, I also use it to "protect" those rubber rebounds as well. If=0A=
you crush them you cannot replace them in position. The shock tower=0Ain=
terferes, so that in order to replace them, you must remove the=0Aupper=
 suspension (like when rebuilding-spring compress , etc.). They=0Adon't=
 do much except if you decide to fly over railroad tracks. That=0Awill p=
robably crush them as well. Bob was concerned that hanging the=0Asuspens=
ion would cause damage. I think its best to not put that kind=0Aof load=
 on an old iron bucket. Just try using plain wood blocks-they=0Asplinter=
 to bits. Hank=0A=0A=09-----------------------------------------From: "B=
ob Spidell via=0AHealeys" =0ATo: healeys@autox.team.net=0ACc: =0ASent: S=
aturday April 16 2022 1:18:39PM=0ASubject: Re: [Healeys] Front Shocks st=
ress=0A=0A The "2in block" admonition was to make sure the suspension wa=
s at the=0Acorrect ride height when tightening it down, say, after repla=
cing the=0Alower A-arm bushings (not a job you want to do too often). If=
 this=0Aisn't done, the bushings could be in a bind/twisted, which would=
=0Alikely cause them to degrade quickly and could affect suspension=0Age=
ometry and handling. Beneficial side effects are a) keeping the bump=0As=
tops from being crushed to oblivion when raising the car by the=0Achassi=
s and, b) avoiding stress on the moving suspension parts. AFAIK,=0A2in i=
s the correct setting for 6-cyl cars as well. I went to the=0Ahardware s=
tore and found a couple large bolts--5/8" thread or so--that=0Awere 2 in=
ches long.=0A=0A The OEM A-arm bushings were rubber bound to a steel ins=
ert (there's a=0Abrand name but I can't think of it). They were 'pinched=
' in their=0Abrackets and, supposedly, contributed some elasticity to th=
e=0Asuspension; begs the question: Does using urethane or nylon bushes=
=0Aaffect handling* and durability? Also, have been told the lower A-arm=
=0Arear brackets extend out farther than the front, pushing the lower=0A=
A-arm trunnion forward, which creates/contributes to caster. Anyone=0Akn=
ow for sure?=0A=0A All told, kind of a wonky way to rig a suspension, wi=
th no adjustment=0Afor camber or caster.=0A=0A * In my experience, they=
 do take some sloppiness out of the steering.=0A=0AOn 4/16/2022 12:56 PM=
, Henry G Leach via Healeys wrote:=0A  Bob-that caution was to insert a=
 wood block on the shelf between the=0Ashock arm and the plate...opposit=
e the rubber bump stop. If you hang=0Athe suspension without the block,=
 it will crush the bumper. =0A On the 100 it would use a 2" block (I use=
 a chunk of 1-1/8" plywood=0Asub floor) as it holds up better than just=
 a piece of wood. For the=0A6-cylinders I think it is 1-1/2" block. That=
 is why the book suggests=0Ayou lift the front wheels from under the spr=
ing plate, rather than any=0Aframe member. If you lift the car from the=
 cross member you need two=0Ablocks-one on each shock tower...Be sure to=
 remove them when you lower=0Athe car. If you forget and drive away, the=
y are probably out on the=0Aroad somewhere. Hank=0A=0A=09---------------=
-------------------------- From: "Bob Begani via=0AHealeys"=0A To: heale=
ys@autox.team.net=0A Cc:=0A Sent: Saturday April 16 2022 12:42:30PM=0A S=
ubject: [Healeys] Front Shocks stress=0A=0A=09I have been using my Quikj=
ack for the past few weeks to pull the=0Atrans and rear of the engine to=
 install the new plate gasket with lots=0Aof Right Stuff Permatex sealan=
t and have just got the trans back in.=0ADuring this time, I would lower=
 the car back on the tires as one of=0Ayou mentioned that the front shoc=
ks wishbone could be damaged by the=0Aweight of the tire if left to long=
 on the lift. Please remind me about=0Athe problem and how to use a wood=
en stick and where to insert. =0A=0A=09Pictures? =0A=0A=09I hope to have=
 the Healey on the road next week so I can see if the=0Aoil leak problem=
 has been solved for good. Using Oil Dye there was=0Avery little oil sho=
wn which may have been cause by not torquing the=0Aplate bolts. After to=
rquing the right stuff squeezed out in a few=0Aplaces so I am hopeful no=
 more oil on the garage floor after a run. =0A=0A=09Regards, =0A=0A=09Bo=
b Begani =0A=0A=09BJ8 67   =0A=0A

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<html><body>Bob-agree, the (steel) block is used when building up the su=
spension.&nbsp; However, I also use it to "protect" those rubber rebound=
s as well.&nbsp; If you crush them you cannot replace them in position.=
 The shock tower interferes, so that in order to replace them, you must=
 remove the upper suspension (like when rebuilding-spring compress , etc=
.).&nbsp; They don't do much except if you decide to fly over railroad t=
racks. That will probably crush them as well. Bob was concerned that han=
ging the suspension would cause damage. I think its best to not put that=
 kind of load on an old iron bucket. Just try using plain wood blocks-th=
ey splinter to bits.&nbsp; Hank<br><div class=3D"reply-new-signature"></=
div><p>-----------------------------------------</p>From: "Bob Spidell v=
ia Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net><br>To: healeys@autox.team.net<br>Cc=
: <br>Sent: Saturday April 16 2022 1:18:39PM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] F=
ront Shocks stress<br><br>=0AThe "2in block" admonition was to make sure=
 the suspension was at=0Athe correct ride height when tightening it down=
, say, after=0Areplacing the lower A-arm bushings (not a job you want to=
 do too=0Aoften). If this isn't done, the bushings could be in a=0Abind/=
twisted, which would likely cause them to degrade quickly and=0Acould af=
fect suspension geometry and handling. Beneficial side=0Aeffects are a)=
 keeping the bump stops&nbsp; from being crushed to=0Aoblivion when rais=
ing the car by the chassis and, b) avoiding=0Astress on the moving suspe=
nsion parts. AFAIK, 2in is the correct=0Asetting for 6-cyl cars as well.=
 I went to the hardware store and=0Afound a couple large bolts--5/8" thr=
ead or so--that were 2 inches=0Along.<br><br>=0AThe OEM A-arm bushings w=
ere rubber bound to a steel insert (there's=0Aa brand name but I can't t=
hink of it). They were 'pinched' in their=0Abrackets and, supposedly, co=
ntributed some elasticity to the=0Asuspension; begs the question: Does u=
sing urethane or nylon bushes=0Aaffect handling* and durability? Also, h=
ave been told the lower=0AA-arm rear brackets extend out farther than th=
e front, pushing the=0Alower A-arm trunnion forward, which creates/contr=
ibutes to caster.=0AAnyone know for sure?<br><br>=0AAll told, kind of a=
 wonky way to rig a suspension, with no=0Aadjustment for camber or caste=
r.<br><br>=0A* In my experience, they do take some sloppiness out of the=
=0Asteering.<br><br><br><div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 4/16/2022 12:5=
6 PM, Henry G Leach=0Avia Healeys wrote:<br></div>=0A<blockquote>=0A=0AB=
ob-that caution was to insert a wood block on the shelf between=0Athe sh=
ock arm and the plate...opposite the rubber bump stop. If you=0Ahang the=
 suspension without the block, it will crush the bumper.=0A<div><br></di=
v>=0A<div>On the 100 it would use a 2" block (I use a chunk of 1-1/8"=0A=
plywood sub floor) as it holds up better than just a piece of wood.=0AFo=
r the 6-cylinders I think it is 1-1/2" block. That is why the=0Abook sug=
gests you lift the front wheels from under the spring=0Aplate, rather th=
an any frame member. If you lift the car from the=0Across member you nee=
d two blocks-one on each shock tower...Be sure=0Ato remove them when you=
 lower the car. If you forget and drive=0Aaway, they are probably out on=
 the road somewhere. Hank<br><br><p>------------------------------------=
-----</p>=0AFrom: "Bob Begani via Healeys"<br>=0ATo: <a class=3D"moz-txt=
-link-abbreviated">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>=0ACc:<br>=0ASent: Satu=
rday April 16 2022 12:42:30PM<br>=0ASubject: [Healeys] Front Shocks stre=
ss<br><br><div class=3D"WordSection1">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">I have been using=
=0Amy Quikjack for the past few weeks to pull the trans and rear of=0Ath=
e engine to install the new plate gasket with lots of Right Stuff=0APerm=
atex sealant and have just got the trans back in.&nbsp; During=0Athis ti=
me, I would lower the car back on the tires as one of you=0Amentioned th=
at the front shocks wishbone could be damaged by the=0Aweight of the tir=
e if left to long on the lift.&nbsp; Please remind=0Ame about the proble=
m and how to use a wooden stick and where to=0Ainsert.</span></p>=0A<p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans=
-serif;">Pictures?</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-se=
rif;">I hope to have the=0AHealey on the road next week so I can see if=
 the oil leak problem=0Ahas been solved for good.&nbsp; Using Oil Dye th=
ere was very little=0Aoil shown which may have been cause by not torquin=
g the plate=0Abolts.&nbsp; After torquing the right stuff squeezed out i=
n a few=0Aplaces so I am hopeful no more oil on the garage floor after a=
=0Arun.</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16p=
t;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Regar=
ds,</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;fo=
nt-family:Arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Bob=0ABeg=
ani</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;fo=
nt-family:Arial, sans-serif;">BJ8 67</span></p>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A<br>=
</blockquote>=0A<br></healeys@autox.team.net></body></html>

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