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Re: [Healeys] “New” Healey 100 rights

To: gradea1@charter.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] “New” Healey 100 rights
From: i erbs via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 13:52:13 -0700
Cc: Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net>
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Great looking car. Price is big

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 12:54 PM Henry G Leach via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Here is what I was able to discover about the AH namesake (from 2007):
>
> Nanjing Automobile Company, which bought the remnants of MG and in May
> resumed production of the MG TF in Longbridge, England, has signed a deal
> to use the Austin-Healey name. NAC's deal is with HFI Automotive, a U.S.
> company that bought Healey Automobile Consultants in January 2006 with it=
s
> own plans to revive the marque.
>
> In February 2006, HFI said it would build a series of coupe and
> convertible sports cars with the "DNA of the 3000," plus a replacement fo=
r
> the Healey-Sprite.
>
> So, will NAC revive the Bugeye? So far, NAC isn't saying what it plans to
> do with the A-H name. The revived TF it's assembling in England is simply
> the aged "hairdresser's car" that Rover built there for years, and NAC's
> plans to assemble more sports cars for the U.S. market in Oklahoma have
> been on hold for months. But its purchase of the Healey naming rights fro=
m
> overly ambitious HFI proves that, these days, if you want to get a nascen=
t
> automaker off the ground, plan to deal with one of China's many upstart
> companies.
>
>
> Current owner of the Caton is in UK, but has a division in the US:
> US Operations
>
> *Envisage Group Developments Inc.*
> Inc. 41332 Christy St. Fremont, CA 94538, USA
>
> +1 510 996 5065
>
> My understanding was that Nanjing "Owned" the AUSTIN name but *not *the
> Austin-Healey Marque. Here is their concept car  entitled "Healey". Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: gradea1@charter.net
> To: "Steven Kingsbury"
> Cc: "Bob Spidell", "healeys@autox.team.net"
> Sent: Wednesday April 13 2022 12:15:10PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] =E2=80=9CNew=E2=80=9D Healey 100
>
> I do not believe that they (Caton) can legally use the Austin-Healey
> winged badge on the car,  It was the sole owner ship of Healey Consultant=
s
> and when Margot passed the "family" tried to negotiate with the Chinese
> company NaingJung, but the deal fell thru. Did Caton get the rights to th=
e
> name?Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "Steven Kingsbury"
> To: gradea1@charter.net
> Cc: "Bob Spidell", "healeys@autox.team.net"
> Sent: Wednesday April 13 2022 12:01:05PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] =E2=80=9CNew=E2=80=9D Healey 100
>
> And to ad to the conversation, why didn't they turn the wheel over? One u=
p
> in the center would have been more in keeping with the original orientati=
on
> of the original steering wheel. It seems the three "spokes' are set 120
> degrees apart.
> Oh well.
> To each his own, but not for me.
> Steven Kingsbury
> BN1
>
> On Apr 13, 2022, at 11:42 AM, Henry G Leach via Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Half a million bucks and we are going to hide the grille-looks like a sad
> 100 rather than a smiling one  Nothing uglier than black wire wheels to
> accent the '50s style  This guy Caton must be using some old taxi engines
> bored out to 3L. Not how I want to remember 100s. Donald and Geoff would
> turn over in their graves if they saw this upgrade of their original
> design...gosh they hated XC-52 (the fireball so much-this would be the
> capper) Hank
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "Bob Spidell"
> To: healeys@autox.team.net
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday April 13 2022 8:57:13AM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] =E2=80=9CNew=E2=80=9D Healey 100
>
> That's gotta be 4-5 degrees of negative camber; how would that affect
> handling? Seems like it would make a 100 pretty squirrelly.
>
> On 4/13/2022 2:45 AM, Alan Seigrist via Healeys wrote:
>
> Agreed.  It is a nicely completed modification, but really for that amoun=
t
> of dosh there are many other cars I'd rather get.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alan
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 5:37 PM andy pole via Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> What a load of rubbish =C2=A3400k for an engine overhaul from Jme, later
>> brakes, suspension and a teenager let=E2=80=99s delete the door handles!
>>
>> I can do it for =C2=A3350k if anyone is that stupid! =F0=9F=98=82
>>
>> Also read it this morning in a Hagerty link
>>
>> <https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/news-articles/austin-healey-powers-b=
ack-into-production/?utm_source=3DSFMC&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_content=3DMED=
_UN_UK_EML_UN_UKNews_Weekly&hashed_email=3D9b083a3970aa1a65e353e6b224dca133=
15f6de88d070a377b45df8e1e8f0122b>
>> <https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/news-articles/austin-healey-powers-b=
ack-into-production/?utm_source=3DSFMC&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_content=3DMED=
_UN_UK_EML_UN_UKNews_Weekly&hashed_email=3D9b083a3970aa1a65e353e6b224dca133=
15f6de88d070a377b45df8e1e8f0122b>
>> <https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/news-articles/austin-healey-powers-b=
ack-into-production/?utm_source=3DSFMC&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_content=3DMED=
_UN_UK_EML_UN_UKNews_Weekly&hashed_email=3D9b083a3970aa1a65e353e6b224dca133=
15f6de88d070a377b45df8e1e8f0122b>
>> https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/news-articles/austin-healey-powers-ba=
ck-into-production/?utm_source=3DSFMC&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_content=3DMED_=
UN_UK_EML_UN_UKNews_Weekly&hashed_email=3D9b083a3970aa1a65e353e6b224dca1331=
5f6de88d070a377b45df8e1e8f0122b
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Randall
>> Hicks via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 13, 2022 10:25:09 AM
>> *To:* Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Healeys] =E2=80=9CNew=E2=80=9D Healey 100
>>
>>
>> Well=E2=80=A6this is interesting!!  =F0=9F=98=85
>>
>>
>> <https://www.topgear.com/car-news/retro/healey-caton-new-old-ps474k-brit=
ish-classic>
>> <https://www.topgear.com/car-news/retro/healey-caton-new-old-ps474k-brit=
ish-classic>
>> <https://www.topgear.com/car-news/retro/healey-caton-new-old-ps474k-brit=
ish-classic>
>> https://www.topgear.com/car-news/retro/healey-caton-new-old-ps474k-briti=
sh-classic
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
> <complete 1.JPG><Healey-by-Caton-24.webp><Healey-by-Caton-11.webp>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Great looking car. Price is big=C2=A0=C2=A0<br><br><div d=
ata-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">Ira Erbs<br>1959 AH 100-6<br>1967 MGB<br>=
Milwaukie, OR</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 12:54 PM Henry G Leach via Healeys=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Here is what I was a=
ble to discover about the AH namesake (from 2007):<br><div style=3D"margin:=
1rem 0px 0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-varia=
nt-east-asian:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size:16=
px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><p style=3D"m=
argin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;fo=
nt-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:1.875rem;font-family:Rob=
oto,sans-serif;font-size:1.25rem;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51=
)">Nanjing Automobile Company, which bought the remnants of MG and in May r=
esumed production of the MG TF in Longbridge, England, has signed a deal to=
 use the Austin-Healey name. NAC&#39;s deal is with HFI Automotive, a U.S. =
company that bought Healey Automobile Consultants in January 2006 with its =
own plans to revive the marque.</p></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0=
px;border:0px;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inherit;=
font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size:16px;vertical-align:base=
line;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;padd=
ing:0px;border:0px;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inh=
erit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size:16px;vertical-align=
:baseline;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></div><div style=3D"margin:1re=
m 0px 0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant-=
east-asian:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size:16px;=
vertical-align:baseline;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><p style=3D"marg=
in:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-=
weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:1.875rem;font-family:Roboto=
,sans-serif;font-size:1.25rem;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51)">=
In February 2006, HFI said it would build a series of coupe and convertible=
 sports cars with the &quot;DNA of the 3000,&quot; plus a replacement for t=
he Healey-Sprite.</p></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;=
font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inherit;font-stretch:i=
nherit;line-height:inherit;font-size:16px;vertical-align:baseline;backgroun=
d-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></div><div style=3D"margin:1rem 0px 0px;padding:0=
px;border:0px;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inherit;=
font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size:16px;vertical-align:base=
line;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><p style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px;=
border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font=
-stretch:inherit;line-height:1.875rem;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:1.25rem;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51)">So, will NAC revive=
 the Bugeye? So far, NAC isn&#39;t saying what it plans to do with the A-H =
name. The revived TF it&#39;s assembling in England is simply the aged &quo=
t;hairdresser&#39;s car&quot; that Rover built there for years, and NAC&#39=
;s plans to assemble more sports cars for the U.S. market in Oklahoma have =
been on hold for months. But its purchase of the Healey naming rights from =
overly ambitious HFI proves that, these days, if you want to get a nascent =
automaker off the ground, plan to deal with one of China&#39;s many upstart=
 companies.</p><p style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inh=
erit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-hei=
ght:1.875rem;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:1.25rem;vertical-align=
:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><br></p><p style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px;b=
order:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-=
stretch:inherit;line-height:1.875rem;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:1.25rem;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Current owner of the=
 Caton is in UK, but has a division in the US:=C2=A0</p><h3 style=3D"box-si=
zing:inherit;clear:both;color:rgb(113,191,68);font-family:alwyn-new-web,san=
s-serif">US Operations</h3><p style=3D"box-sizing:inherit;margin-bottom:1.5=
em;line-height:30px;color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:alwyn-new-web,sans-seri=
f"></p><p style=3D"box-sizing:inherit;margin-bottom:1.5em;line-height:30px;=
color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:alwyn-new-web,sans-serif"><strong style=3D"=
box-sizing:inherit">Envisage Group Developments Inc.</strong><br style=3D"b=
ox-sizing:inherit">Inc. 41332 Christy St. Fremont, CA 94538, USA</p><p styl=
e=3D"box-sizing:inherit;margin-bottom:1.5em;line-height:30px;color:rgb(64,6=
4,64);font-family:alwyn-new-web,sans-serif">+1 510 996 5065</p><p style=3D"=
box-sizing:inherit;margin-bottom:1.5em;line-height:30px;color:rgb(64,64,64)=
;font-family:alwyn-new-web,sans-serif">My understanding was that Nanjing &q=
uot;Owned&quot; the AUSTIN name but <b>not </b>the Austin-Healey Marque. He=
re is their concept car=C2=A0 entitled &quot;Healey&quot;. Hank</p></div><d=
iv></div><p>-----------------------------------------</p>From: <a href=3D"m=
ailto:gradea1@charter.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">gradea1@cha=
rter.net</a><br>To: &quot;Steven Kingsbury&quot;<br>Cc: &quot;Bob Spidell&q=
uot;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&quot;<br>Sent: Wednesday April 1=
3 2022 12:15:10PM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] =E2=80=9CNew=E2=80=9D Healey 10=
0<br><br>
I do not believe that they (Caton) can legally use the
Austin-Healey winged badge on the car,=C2=A0 It was the sole owner
ship of Healey Consultants and when Margot passed the &quot;family&quot;
tried to negotiate with the Chinese company NaingJung, but the deal
fell thru. Did Caton get the rights to the name?Hank<br><br><div></div>
<p>-----------------------------------------</p>
From: &quot;Steven Kingsbury&quot;<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefer=
rer">gradea1@charter.net</a><br>
Cc: &quot;Bob Spidell&quot;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&quot;<br>
Sent: Wednesday April 13 2022 12:01:05PM<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] =E2=80=9CNew=E2=80=9D Healey 100<br><br><div>
<div>And to ad to the conversation, why didn&#39;t they turn the wheel
over? One up in the center would have been more in keeping with the
original orientation of the original steering wheel. It seems the
three &quot;spokes&#39; are set 120 degrees apart.<br></div>
<div>Oh well.=C2=A0<br></div>
<div>To each his own, but not for me.<br></div>
<div>Steven Kingsbury<br></div>
<div>BN1=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote>
<div>On Apr 13, 2022, at 11:42 AM, Henry G Leach via Healeys
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>
<div>Half a million bucks and we are going to hide the grille-looks
like a sad 100 rather than a smiling one=C2=A0 Nothing uglier than
black wire wheels to accent the &#39;50s style=C2=A0 This guy Caton
must be using some old taxi engines bored out to 3L. Not how I want
to remember 100s. Donald and Geoff would turn over in their graves
if they saw this upgrade of their original design...gosh they hated
XC-52 (the fireball so much-this would be the capper)
Hank<br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<p>-----------------------------------------<br></p>
<div>From: &quot;Bob Spidell&quot;<br></div>
<div>To: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br></div>
<div>Cc:<br></div>
<div>Sent: Wednesday April 13 2022 8:57:13AM<br></div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Healeys] =E2=80=9CNew=E2=80=9D Healey 100<br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>That&#39;s gotta be 4-5 degrees of negative camber; how would that
affect handling? Seems like it would make a 100 pretty
squirrelly.<br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>On 4/13/2022 2:45 AM, Alan Seigrist
via Healeys wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>Agreed.=C2=A0 It is a nicely completed modification, but
really for that amount of dosh there are many other cars I&#39;d rather
get.<br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Cheers,<br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Alan<br></div>
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 5:37 PM
andy pole via Healeys &lt;<a rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&=
gt;
wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px .8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)">What a load
of rubbish =C2=A3400k for an engine overhaul from Jme, later brakes,
suspension and a teenager let=E2=80=99s delete the door
handles!=C2=A0<br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)"><br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)">I can do it
for =C2=A3350k if anyone is that stupid! =F0=9F=98=82<br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)"><br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)">Also read it
this morning in a Hagerty link<br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)"><a href=3D"https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/news-articles/austin-heale=
y-powers-back-into-production/?utm_source=3DSFMC&amp;utm_medium=3Demail&amp=
;utm_content=3DMED_UN_UK_EML_UN_UKNews_Weekly&amp;hashed_email=3D9b083a3970=
aa1a65e353e6b224dca13315f6de88d070a377b45df8e1e8f0122b" target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">
</a><a href=3D"https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/news-articles/austin-heal=
ey-powers-back-into-production/?utm_source=3DSFMC&amp;utm_medium=3Demail&am=
p;utm_content=3DMED_UN_UK_EML_UN_UKNews_Weekly&amp;hashed_email=3D9b083a397=
0aa1a65e353e6b224dca13315f6de88d070a377b45df8e1e8f0122b" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer"></a><a href=3D"https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/news-a=
rticles/austin-healey-powers-back-into-production/?utm_source=3DSFMC&amp;ut=
m_medium=3Demail&amp;utm_content=3DMED_UN_UK_EML_UN_UKNews_Weekly&amp;hashe=
d_email=3D9b083a3970aa1a65e353e6b224dca13315f6de88d070a377b45df8e1e8f0122b"=
 target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"></a><a href=3D"https://www.hagerty.co=
.uk/articles/news-articles/austin-healey-powers-back-into-production/?utm_s=
ource=3DSFMC&amp;utm_medium=3Demail&amp;utm_content=3DMED_UN_UK_EML_UN_UKNe=
ws_Weekly&amp;hashed_email=3D9b083a3970aa1a65e353e6b224dca13315f6de88d070a3=
77b45df8e1e8f0122b" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://www.hagert=
y.co.uk/articles/news-articles/austin-healey-powers-back-into-production/?u=
tm_source=3DSFMC&amp;utm_medium=3Demail&amp;utm_content=3DMED_UN_UK_EML_UN_=
UKNews_Weekly&amp;hashed_email=3D9b083a3970aa1a65e353e6b224dca13315f6de88d0=
70a377b45df8e1e8f0122b</a><br></div>
</div>
<div>
<div><br></div>
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Healeys &lt;<a rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; on
behalf of Randall Hicks via Healeys &lt;<a rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox=
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<div>Well=E2=80=A6this is interesting!! =C2=A0=F0=9F=98=85<br></div>
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