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Subject: Re: [Healeys] I’d plate
From: Randy Hicks via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 09:46:04 -0400
Cc: Michael Osipik <mikeosipik@gmail.com>, "clarkespares@att.net" <clarkespares@att.net>
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Just to follow-up on Curt=E2=80=99s email, the AH Concours Guidelines =
are available from Mike Osipik at: mikeosipik@gmail.com

The order form is available on the Concours Registry web site at:  =
https://austinhealeyconcoursregistry.org

The Guidelines are a wealth of knowledge whether working on a =
=E2=80=9Cdriver=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cconcours car=E2=80=9D.  A steal at =
$25.00 US.  =F0=9F=98=80

Randy Hicks

> On Jul 14, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Curtis Arndt via Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Todd,
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> In answer to your question to Charlie Schott, see my remarks below =
copied from the AH Concours Guidelines Supplement 10.=20
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> I've also attached a photo of my personal engine plate, a car built on =
11 Jan. 1955.
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> Cheers,
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> Curt Arndt
> AH Concours Registry Technical Committee.
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> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> Date: Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 6:11 AM
> Subject: Re: I=E2=80=99d plate
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> Charlie,
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> With all due respect, please purchase and READ the Concours =
Guidelines!!!
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> A number of us have donated our time and research to put out a world =
class document that is very inexpensive for the value it represents. =
This information is readily available. And while I don't mind answering =
legitimate questions, It gets old having to repeatedly direct Healey =
folks to the already available information on our cars. =20
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> Here are several quotes from Supplement 10 on I.D. Plates...
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> <Engines were manufactured initially by Austin and their number plates =
had a stamping with small numerals and a large B,
> as shown below.>=20
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> <The numbers used on these Healey engines ran up to somewhere around =
1B208XYZ, when sourcing was changed to
> Morris. The new series of numbering started with 213XYZ and in =
addition to the 1B at the front had the letter M at the
> end, which indicated supplied by Morris. The numerals and letters were =
all the same height .>
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> So ask yourself the question... What is my engine number?  If it's =
213XYZ or later, then there is a "M" suffix.  208XYZ or earlier, then no =
"M"suffix.
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> Cheers,
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> Curt
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> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:34 PM Charles Schott <schottc@knology.net =
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> Curtis,
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> This is the response I received from Todd Clarke who makes replacement =
tags. My Heritage Certificate (attached) does not show a "M" at the end. =
Is it possible that my engine was built by Austin?
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> Regards,
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> Charlie
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> From: "Todd Clarke" <clarkespares@att.net =
> To: "Charles Schott" <schottc@knology.net =
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 9:43:47 AM
> Subject: Re: I=E2=80=99d plate
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> Charles,
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> Thanks for the message. I don't recall if you called in the order or =
sent by e-mail (can't find a copy)....did I miss the "M".
> The "M" indicates the engine was put together by Morris. Engines were =
also put together by Austin which
> do not have an "M". As far as I know no one knows when or why the =
different engines were fitted but I suspect it was matter of supply and =
demand.
> Of course the BMHT should have all the info. and the eng. number =
should be noted on the Build Cert. they offer. Do you have
> a build sheet?
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> Let me know how you want to proceed.
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> Regards,
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> Todd
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> On Monday, July 13, 2020, 09:29:04 AM EDT, Charles Schott =
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> Todd,
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> It looks like my engine ID tag is suppose to have a "M" at the end per =
the attachment. Would you please redo my tag? Thanks.
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> Regards,
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> Charlie
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Just =
to follow-up on Curt=E2=80=99s email, the AH Concours Guidelines are =
available from Mike Osipik at: <u class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:mikeosipik@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">mikeosipik@gmail.com</a></u><div class=3D""><u class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></u></div><div class=3D"">The order form is available on the =
Concours Registry web site at: &nbsp;<u class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://austinhealeyconcoursregistry.org"; =
class=3D"">https://austinhealeyconcoursregistry.org</a></u></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The Guidelines are a =
wealth of knowledge&nbsp;whether working on a =E2=80=9Cdriver=E2=80=9D =
or =E2=80=9Cconcours car=E2=80=9D. &nbsp;A steal at $25.00 US. =
&nbsp;=F0=9F=98=80</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Randy Hicks<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jul 14, 2020, at 9:25 AM, =
Curtis Arndt via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Todd,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">In =
answer to your question to&nbsp;Charlie Schott, see my remarks below =
copied from the AH Concours Guidelines =
Supplement&nbsp;10.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I've also attached a photo of my personal engine plate, a car =
built on 11 Jan. 1955.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Cheers,</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Curt Arndt</div><div class=3D"">AH Concours Registry =
Technical Committee.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">---------- =
Forwarded message ---------<br class=3D"">From: <strong =
class=3D"gmail_sendername" dir=3D"auto">Curtis Arndt</strong> <span =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">cnaarndt@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br class=3D"">Date: Tue, =
Jul 14, 2020 at 6:11 AM<br class=3D"">Subject: Re: I=E2=80=99d plate<br =
class=3D"">To: Charles Schott &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:schottc@knology.net"; =
class=3D"">schottc@knology.net</a>&gt;<br class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Charlie,<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">With all due respect, =
please purchase and READ the Concours Guidelines!!!</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">A number of us have =
donated our time and research to put out a world class document that is =
very inexpensive for the value it represents. This information is =
readily available. And while I don't mind answering =
legitimate&nbsp;questions, It gets old having to repeatedly&nbsp;direct =
Healey folks to the already available information on our =
cars.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Here are several quotes from Supplement 10 on I.D. =
Plates...</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><i =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;" =
class=3D"">&lt;Engines were manufactured initially by Austin and their =
number plates had a stamping with small numerals and a large B,<br =
class=3D"">as shown below.&gt;</span>&nbsp;</i><br =
style=3D"font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-h=
eight:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto" class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><i =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></i></div><div class=3D""><i class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;" class=3D"">&lt;The =
numbers used on these Healey engines ran up to somewhere around =
1B208XYZ, when sourcing was changed to<br class=3D"">Morris. <u =
class=3D"">The new series of numbering started with <b =
class=3D"">213XYZ</b> and in addition to the 1B at the front had the =
letter M at the<br class=3D"">end, which indicated supplied by =
Morris</u>. The numerals and letters were all the same =
height</span>&nbsp;.&gt;</i><br =
style=3D"font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-h=
eight:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto" class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><i =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></i></div><div class=3D"">So ask yourself the =
question... What is my engine number?&nbsp; If it's 213XYZ or later, =
then there is a "M" suffix.&nbsp; 208XYZ or earlier, then no =
"M"suffix.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Cheers,</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Curt</div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:34 PM Charles =
Schott &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:schottc@knology.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">schottc@knology.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family: &quot;times new roman&quot;, &quot;new york&quot;, =
times, serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Curtis,</div><div style=3D"font-weight: normal; font-style: =
normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, =
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><div style=3D"font-family: =
&quot;times new roman&quot;, &quot;new york&quot;, times, serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">This is the response I received from Todd Clarke who makes =
replacement tags. My Heritage Certificate (attached) does not show a "M" =
at the end. Is it possible that my engine was built by Austin?</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Regards,</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Charlie</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><hr =
id=3D"m_-1957176020056870833gmail-m_-5078253720468257324zwchr" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">From: </b>"Todd Clarke" =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:clarkespares@att.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">clarkespares@att.net</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To: =
</b>"Charles Schott" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:schottc@knology.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">schottc@knology.net</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent: </b>Monday, July 13, 2020 9:43:47 AM<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject: </b>Re: I=E2=80=99d plate<br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">                =
Charles,<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>Thanks for =
the message.  I don't recall if you called in the order or sent by =
e-mail (can't find a copy)....did I miss the "M".<br class=3D"">The "M" =
indicates the engine was put together by Morris.  Engines were also put =
together by Austin which<br class=3D"">do not have an "M".  As far as I =
know no one knows when or why the different engines were fitted but I =
suspect it was matter of supply and demand.<br class=3D"">Of course the =
BMHT should have all the info. and the eng. number should be noted on =
the Build Cert. they offer.  Do you have<br class=3D"">a build sheet?<br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>Let me know how you want =
to proceed.<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>Regards,<br=
 class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>Todd<br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>    <br class=3D"">            </div>    =
        <div style=3D"margin:10px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=3D"">                        =
<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica =
Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)" =
class=3D"">                                <div class=3D"">              =
      On Monday, July 13, 2020, 09:29:04 AM EDT, Charles Schott &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:schottc@knology.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">schottc@knology.net</a>&gt; wrote:                </div>      =
          <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>                <div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>                <div class=3D""><div =
id=3D"m_-1957176020056870833gmail-m_-5078253720468257324yiv3979699104" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"font-family: &quot;times new =
roman&quot;, &quot;new york&quot;, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Todd,</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It looks like my engine ID tag is =
suppose to have a "M" at the end per the attachment. Would you please =
redo my tag? Thanks.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Regards,</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Charlie</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></=
div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div></body></html>=

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