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nice summary. I forgot to mention I don=E2=80=99t have a fuel return =
line. Maybe that is pump-dependent - the Facet does not seem to have =
any issues running with limited flow if the float bowls are full.
On a 20-25 minute race, I use about 4 gallons of fuel. I know there are =
peak flows, but I don=E2=80=99t think you need a pump with a lot of flow =
capacity. The 25 gph/hour that I have seems more than enough. =20
On Jun 12, 2025, at 10:44=E2=80=AFAM, Mark Cook <mecook@mindspring.com> =
wrote:
Great responses, recommendations from all - very much appreciated. =
Thought I would summarize the key recommendations:
=20
1. Fuel Regulator - 1-4 psi (with 3 psi discharge) placed up front =
with meter for ease of tuning, etc.
2. Fuel Pump - also capable of 1 - 4 psi (consistent with Pierce =
Manifold=E2=80=99s recommendation).=20
3. Fuel Line =E2=80=93 hard line (3/8=E2=80=9D) front to back with =
-6AN braided PTFE to connect carbs, pump, regulator, and fuel cell.
4. Fuel Return line - after the regulator, back to the fuel cell =
with a .040" restrictor. This helps maintain much more consistent fuel =
pressure at idle VS wide open.
5. Fuel Cell Pickups =E2=80=93 either 2 duckfoot pickups, one in =
each back corner, or Holley HydraMat
https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/hydramat/
6. Fuel Safety addition - Revolution fuel pump controller - Pump =
only runs if there is a tach signal from the ignition. =20
https://www.revolutionelectronics.com/Products/Fuel_Pump.html
7. Brands - Holley seems to be the brand of choice, also mentioned =
- Carter (high volume/low pressure specifically for multi-Webers)=20
8. Weber Fuel Bowl Tip- When you shut off the car, shut off the =
fuel pump first, and let it run a couple minutes to drain down the =
[Weber] fuel bowls. Mitigates hot fuel in the bowls heated by exhaust =
manifold.
9. Fuel Cell Dipstick Tip =E2=80=93 dipstick marking - fill one =
gallon at a time and mark the dipstick at each level.
10. Fuel Line Spec Chart - =
https://historicracinggroup.com/resources/Reference_Material/Canton/Fuel =
Consumption and Flow Quick Ref by CM Filters.pdf
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Oh, don=E2=80=99t run out of gas while on the track!
=20
Thanks again to all that responded!
=20
Mark
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From: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer56@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2025 8:36 AM
To: rocky spitfire4.com <http://spitfire4.com/>
Cc: Jason Ostrowski; Mark Cook; Friends of Triumph Group Email
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 race car re-build - Fuel line questions
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Holley makes a pickup attachment called Hydramat that will suck fuel =
from anywhere it touches making the one pickup style fuel cells even =
better than adding a second pickup. We use it in the ChampCar. Before we =
added one we found that we would have fuel pickup issues with a couple =
of gallons of fuel in the cell. The strategy we use on our 15 gallon =
tank is to start full, run 2 hours, add 10 gallons at each stop and =
before the Hydramat we had drivers coming in early for a "miss", =
throwing off the whole plan. The only drawback is that you can =
completely run out of fuel. It'll miss and then stop pretty quickly!
=20
www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/hydramat/ =
<http://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/hydramat/>
=20
On Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 2:12=E2=80=AFAM rocky spitfire4.com =
<http://spitfire4.com/> via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =
> For years I just had the stock metal line in my full-race Spitfire, =
which ran under the floorboard. Eventually it got pinched. The system I =
installed was an ATL cell in the trunk, with a duckfoot pickup in each =
back corner, two Holley red fuel pumps leading to a T-fitting =E2=80=93 =
all in the trunk =E2=80=93 then a single line through the passenger =
compartment just under the door (as far from me as possible) to a =
regulator under the hood mounted on the firewall, then to the carbs. =
Regulator has a gauge installed where I can see it. I don=E2=80=99t =
really refer to it while driving (although I can), primarily I use it =
when setting fuel pressure to the carbs. For the Spitfire 2=C2=BD pounds =
of fuel pressure was wholly sufficient (the Holleys would deliver 7). =
For the TR6 maybe something else. Oh, and ALL lines braided since they =
were all vulnerable.=20
> =20
> I ordered my fuel cell direct from ATL and specified the two pickups. =
Roundy-round guys usually only have one, in the right-rear corner, =
because they only turn left. We go both ways. I also ordered the cell =
with a dipstick to know the fuel level. And then discovered that while =
the cell had the place to put the dipstick in, the foam inside did not! =
I had to take the top off, pull the foam out, figure out where the hole =
needed to be and cut the hole in the foam. Then the first time I filled =
the cell, I filled it one gallon at a time and marked the dipstick. =
It=E2=80=99s worked great ever since. I also learned not to fill the =
cell full to the top because it would splash out of the overflow and =
corners got all excited that I was spilling gas. Filling it a gallon =
short got me through all races. For autocrossing (with the two pickups) =
3 gallons worked fine.=20
> =20
> --Rocky Entriken
> =20
> From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net =
Fot
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2025 11:08 PM
> Cc: Friends of Triumph Group Email <fot@autox.team.net =
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 race car re-build - Fuel line questions
> =20
> Lots of questions there.=20
> I=E2=80=99m not a TR6 guy but I=E2=80=99d like the fuel pressure =
regulator to be in the engine compartment. For Tuning and regulating =
purposes; close to where you are at when you=E2=80=99re watching the =
motor and gauges.
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing=20
> 1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars
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> Sent from my iPhone
> =20
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>> On Jun 11, 2025, at 10:17 AM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =
>>=20
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>> All,
>> =20
>> So, I have gutted and stripped the #55 =E2=80=9869 TR6 race car first =
purchased, having a proper roll cage installed and painted, and will be =
installing a newly built engine with triple Weber 45 DCOEs. Will be =
ordering some parts while cage is installed and body painted.
>> =20
>> Brings me to my questions. What size fuel lines =E2=80=93 5/16=E2=80=9D=
(-5) or 3/8=E2=80=9D (-6)? Also, thoughts on 100% steel braided PTFE, =
or combination of metal fuel line (front to back) with braided to =
connect to the fuel cell and Webers? Fuel pump, filter and pressure =
regulator will be in the trunk with the fuel cell. Return line? The 6 =
previously had fuel injection and a fuel return line. Not sure it is =
necessary for the Webers.
>> =20
>> Thanks!
>> =20
>> Mark Cook
>> =20
>> During Chuck Arnold=E2=80=99s ownership (pre-2018) =
Prior Owner 2018-2023 =
Now (coffee table stage) =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">nice summary. =
I forgot to mention I don=E2=80=99t have a fuel return line. =
Maybe that is pump-dependent - the Facet does not seem to have any =
issues running with limited flow if the float bowls are full.<div>On a =
20-25 minute race, I use about 4 gallons of fuel. I know there are =
peak flows, but I don=E2=80=99t think you need a pump with a lot of flow =
capacity. The 25 gph/hour that I have seems more than enough. =
<br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><div>On Jun 12, =
2025, at 10:44=E2=80=AFAM, Mark Cook <mecook@mindspring.com> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8"><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
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font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Great responses, recommendations from all - very much =
appreciated. Thought I would summarize the key =
recommendations:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
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style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.75in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>1.<span style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-width: normal; =
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New =
Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; =
font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; =
font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; =
font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; =
font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; =
font-variation-settings: normal;"> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Fuel Regulator - 1-4 psi (with 3 psi discharge) =
placed up front with meter for ease of tuning, =
etc.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.75in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><span>2.<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 7pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; =
font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: =
normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; =
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; =
font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; =
font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: =
normal;"> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Fuel Pump - also capable of 1 - 4 psi (consistent =
with Pierce Manifold=E2=80=99s recommendation).<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.75in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>3.<span style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-width: normal; =
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New =
Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; =
font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; =
font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; =
font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; =
font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; =
font-variation-settings: normal;"> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Fuel Line =E2=80=93 hard line (3/8=E2=80=9D) front to =
back with -6AN braided PTFE to connect carbs, pump, regulator, and fuel =
cell.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.75in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><span>4.<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 7pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; =
font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: =
normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; =
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; =
font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; =
font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: =
normal;"> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Fuel Return line - after the regulator, back to the =
fuel cell with a .040" restrictor. This helps maintain much more =
consistent fuel pressure at idle VS wide =
open.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.75in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><span>5.<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 7pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; =
font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: =
normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; =
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; =
font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; =
font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: =
normal;"> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Fuel Cell Pickups =E2=80=93 either 2 duckfoot =
pickups, one in each back corner, or Holley =
HydraMat<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.75in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a =
href=3D"https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/hydramat/"; =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/hydramat/</a><o:p=
></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.75in; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; =
text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>6.<span =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; =
font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; =
font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; =
font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; =
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; =
font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; =
font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: =
normal;"> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Fuel Safety addition - Revolution fuel pump =
controller - Pump only runs if there is a tach signal from the =
ignition. <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt 0.75in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New =
Roman", serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a =
href=3D"https://www.revolutionelectronics.com/Products/Fuel_Pump.html"; =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">https://www.revolutionelectronics.com/Products/Fuel_Pump.html<=
/a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.75in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><span>7.<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 7pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; =
font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: =
normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; =
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; =
font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; =
font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: =
normal;"> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Brands - Holley seems to be the brand of choice, also =
mentioned - Carter (high volume/low pressure specifically for =
multi-Webers)<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.75in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>8.<span style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-width: normal; =
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New =
Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; =
font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; =
font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; =
font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; =
font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; =
font-variation-settings: normal;"> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Weber Fuel Bowl Tip- When you shut off the car, shut =
off the fuel pump first, and let it run a couple minutes to drain down =
the [Weber] fuel bowls. Mitigates hot fuel in the bowls heated by =
exhaust manifold.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt 0.75in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New =
Roman", serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><span>9.<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 7pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; =
font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: =
normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; =
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; =
font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; =
font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: =
normal;"> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Fuel Cell Dipstick Tip =E2=80=93 dipstick marking - =
fill one gallon at a time and mark the dipstick at each =
level.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.75in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><span>10.<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-width: normal; font-size: 7pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; =
font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: =
normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; =
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; =
font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; =
font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: =
normal;"> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Fuel Line Spec Chart -<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"https://historicracinggroup.com/resources/Reference_Material/Canto=
n/Fuel" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">https://historicracinggroup.com/resources/Reference_Material/C=
anton/Fuel</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Consumption and Flow Quick =
Ref by CM Filters.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Oh, don=E2=80=99=
t run out of gas while on the track!<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks again to all that =
responded!<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);">Mark<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bob Kramer [<a =
href=3D"mailto:rkramer56@gmail.com"; style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;">mailto:rkramer56@gmail.com</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, June 12, 2025 =
8:36 AM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>rocky<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"http://spitfire4.com/"; style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">spitfire4.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jason Ostrowski; Mark Cook; =
Friends of Triumph Group Email<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] TR6 race car =
re-build - Fuel line questions<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;">Holley makes a pickup attachment =
called Hydramat that will suck fuel from anywhere it touches making the =
one pickup style fuel cells even better than adding a second pickup. We =
use it in the ChampCar. Before we added one we found that we would have =
fuel pickup issues with a couple of gallons of fuel in the cell. =
The strategy we use on our 15 gallon tank is to start full, run 2 hours, =
add 10 gallons at each stop and before the Hydramat we had drivers =
coming in early for a "miss", throwing off the whole plan. The =
only drawback is that you can completely run out of fuel. It'll miss and =
then stop pretty quickly!<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"><a href=3D"http://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/hydramat/"; =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/hydramat/</a><o:p></o:p><=
/div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;">On Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 2:12=E2=80=AFAM rocky<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"http://spitfire4.com/"; style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">spitfire4.com</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>via Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;">fot@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"border-width: medium =
medium medium 1pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: =
currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204); border-image: =
none; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" =
type=3D"cite"><div><div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Aptos;">For years I just had the stock metal line =
in my full-race Spitfire, which ran under the floorboard. Eventually it =
got pinched. The system I installed was an ATL cell in the trunk, with a =
duckfoot pickup in each back corner, two Holley red fuel pumps leading =
to a T-fitting =E2=80=93 all in the trunk =E2=80=93 then a single line =
through the passenger compartment just under the door (as far from me as =
possible) to a regulator under the hood mounted on the firewall, then to =
the carbs. Regulator has a gauge installed where I can see it. I don=E2=80=
=99t really refer to it while driving (although I can), primarily I use =
it when setting fuel pressure to the carbs. For the Spitfire 2=C2=BD =
pounds of fuel pressure was wholly sufficient (the Holleys would deliver =
7). For the TR6 maybe something else. Oh, and ALL lines braided since =
they were all vulnerable.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;"><span style=3D"font-family: =
Aptos;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos;">I ordered my fuel cell =
direct from ATL and specified the two pickups. Roundy-round guys usually =
only have one, in the right-rear corner, because they only turn left. We =
go both ways. I also ordered the cell with a dipstick to know the fuel =
level. And then<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><img border=3D"0" =
width=3D"20" height=3D"20" id=3D"m_4927723889417900244_x005f_x0000_i1025" =
src=3D"https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/joypixels/emoji-assets@v7.0.0/png/64/1f=
606.png" alt=3D"=F0=9F=98=86"><span style=3D"font-family: =
Aptos;"> discovered that while the cell had the place to put the =
dipstick in, the foam inside did not! I had to take the top off, pull =
the foam out, figure out where the hole needed to be and cut the hole in =
the foam. Then the first time I filled the cell, I filled it one gallon =
at a time and marked the dipstick. It=E2=80=99s worked great ever since. =
I also learned not to fill the cell full to the top because it would =
splash out of the overflow and corners got all excited that I was =
spilling gas. Filling it a gallon short got me through all races. For =
autocrossing (with the two pickups) 3 gallons worked fine.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;"><span style=3D"font-family: =
Aptos;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos;">--Rocky =
Entriken</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Aptos;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div =
style=3D"border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; =
border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; =
border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"><b>From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Fot=
<<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jason Ostrowski via =
Fot<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, June 11, 2025 =
11:08 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mark Cook <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mecook@mindspring.com"; target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: =
purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">mecook@mindspring.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friends of Triumph Group =
Email <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] TR6 race car =
re-build - Fuel line questions<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;">Lots of questions =
there. <o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;">I=E2=80=99m not a TR6 guy but I=E2=80=99d like the fuel pressure =
regulator to be in the engine compartment. For Tuning and regulating =
purposes; close to where you are at when you=E2=80=99re watching the =
motor and gauges.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;">Jason Ostrowski<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New =
Roman", serif;">Friendly Ghost =
Racing <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times =
New Roman", serif;">1969 Triumph GT6+ =
racecars<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Sent =
from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times =
New Roman", serif;"><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" type=3D"cite"><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">On Jun 11, 2025, at =
10:17 AM, Mark Cook via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">fot@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: =
5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"><span style=3D"font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;">=EF=BB=BF</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;">All,<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">So, I =
have gutted and stripped the #55 =E2=80=9869 TR6 race car first =
purchased, having a proper roll cage installed and painted, and will be =
installing a newly built engine with triple Weber 45 DCOEs. Will =
be ordering some parts while cage is installed and body =
painted.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;">Brings me to my questions. What size fuel lines =E2=80=
=93 5/16=E2=80=9D (-5) or 3/8=E2=80=9D (-6)? Also, thoughts on =
100% steel braided PTFE, or combination of metal fuel line (front to =
back) with braided to connect to the fuel cell and Webers? Fuel =
pump, filter and pressure regulator will be in the trunk with the fuel =
cell. Return line? The 6 previously had fuel injection =
and a fuel return line. Not sure it is necessary for the =
Webers.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Mark =
Cook<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;">During Chuck Arnold=E2=80=99s ownership =
(pre-2018) &nbs=
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