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=C2=A0Hi,
Hopefully not to beat a dead horse...
The "trick" with the TR6 is that the stock pickup location on the TR6 trail=
ing arm is further outboard than the pickup for the solid axle cars. In sho=
rt, that's the real "challenge" for IRS Triumphs. Also, the stock shock loc=
ation is transverse to the frame rail... last, the trailing arm motion is a=
n arc up and down AND side to side. Hence both ends of the shock mount shou=
ld be heims joints or otherwise be able to articulate in two planes of moti=
on.
The Gp 44 solution uses a member of the roll cage as the upper mount for a =
beefy shock and they, most likely out of necessity, reinforced the heck out=
of the mount point on the trailing arm. It's an awesome setup from the sta=
ndpoint of strength and function. They also had Heims joints on both ends o=
f the shock body (and springs are in the stock location, presumably as requ=
ired by the rules).
As much fun as it can be to squeeze the rulebook, it can also be fun to squ=
eeze it the other way and be as close to stock as possible. IMHO, that's wh=
at a lot of folks did back in the old days with things like Armstrong 22's,=
etc. The look on some folks' faces when you tell them you have a stock sus=
pension setup is "priceless".
I'll add one more suggestion to Mark's quest - Goodparts sells a trailing a=
rm shock link that is super strong and works very well in conjunction with =
the uprated Armstrong shocks. I mention this because the available shock li=
nks from the usual sources use an elastomer that breaks down fairly quickly=
and that translates to having to replace them every 4 to 6 events, at leas=
t that was my experience. I;ve had the Gooparts link on the car for 7+ year=
s and no issues at all.
Summary:Trialing arm motion is a 2 dimensional arcProper bump stops are abs=
olutely criticalStock shock location is very good using the uprated stock-s=
tyle shockStock shock links suck, upgrade to Goodparts of fabricate your ow=
nMATCH YOUR SHOCK SETTINGS TO YOUR SPRINGS=C2=A0 <- SUPER IMPORTANT
Regards,Bob Lang
On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 08:51:45 PM EST, Ponostyle <ponobill@=
gmail.com> wrote: =20
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You guys just don=E2=80=99t squeeze the rulebook hard enough. If your roll=
cage is =E2=80=9Cbraced=E2=80=9D by extending from near the top of the cag=
e to the rear spring mount or thereabout, you have an ideal place to mount =
a shock that doesn=E2=80=99t depend on a spindly frame. Also makes said spi=
ndly frame a lot less spindly.
Bill Babcock
Beach Bum
bill@ponostyle.com
https://www.Ponostyle.com
On Jan 31, 2024, at 11:38 AM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
Bob and Charly, =C2=A0Thanks =E2=80=93 It crossed my mind about potential r=
ear frame damage with the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting the rear=
shocks.=C2=A0 Not a lot of support there compared to the original lever sh=
ocks.=C2=A0 So, with your and Charly=E2=80=99s comments, will likely refit =
with adjustable lever shocks for the rear. =C2=A0Appreciate both your and M=
ark S=E2=80=99s comments on Delrin/Nylatron which is also helpful.=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Hope to see you at VIR in March/April.=C2=A0 Will not be drivi=
ng, but will be up to watch. =C2=A0Thanks you, =C2=A0Mark =C2=A0From:=C2=A0=
Robert Lang [mailto:robertlangtr6@yahoo.com]=C2=A0
Sent:=C2=A0Wednesday, January 31, 2024 1:40 PM
To:=C2=A0fot@autox.team.net; Mark Cook
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar =C2=A0Hi, =C2=A0G=
o with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas lea=
ks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam whi=
ch effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to re=
place the Spax every two years, plus or minus. =C2=A0For the rears, unless =
you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to your roll ca=
ge GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems with the conve=
rsion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage running with those s=
hocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless you can verify the actio=
n of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee fr=
ame structural failure over time. =C2=A0So - get a set of stock Armstrong l=
ever shocks for the rear and get=C2=A0nosimport.com=C2=A0(worldwide autopar=
ts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workabl=
e, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless yo=
u do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame,=
but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they =
work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when yo=
u tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently. =C2=A0Delrin is=
a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can ver=
ify by looking at the durometer ratings. =C2=A0Regards,Bob Lang =C2=A0On We=
dnesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <fot@autox.=
team.net> wrote:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
Quick question (maybe?).=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am replacing the existing Koni front=
adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).=C2=A0 Bushings are worn out as likely are =
the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my =E2=80=9969 TR6=
racecar.=C2=A0 I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Any preference?=C2=A0 Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adju=
ster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni=E2=80=99s every tim=
e I need to adjust the suspension.
=C2=A0
Using the =E2=80=9Cwhile I am in there=E2=80=9D approach, I will be replaci=
ng all the front/rear suspension bushings.=C2=A0 Have purchased Nylatron bu=
shings.=C2=A0 Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.
=C2=A0
Thanks,
=C2=A0
Mark Cook
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http://www.fot-racing.com
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ail/fot
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ail/fot
ostyle.com
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp14eff5ebyahoo-style-wrap" style=
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"> Hi,</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">=
Hopefully not to beat a dead horse...</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"=
false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The "trick" with th=
e TR6 is that the stock pickup location on the TR6 trailing arm is further =
outboard than the pickup for the solid axle cars. In short, that's the real=
"challenge" for IRS Triumphs. Also, the stock shock location is transverse=
to the frame rail... last, the trailing arm motion is an arc up and down A=
ND side to side. Hence both ends of the shock mount should be heims joints =
or otherwise be able to articulate in two planes of motion.<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"=
false">The Gp 44 solution uses a member of the roll cage as the upper mount=
for a beefy shock and they, most likely out of necessity, reinforced the h=
eck out of the mount point on the trailing arm. It's an awesome setup from =
the standpoint of strength and function. They also had Heims joints on both=
ends of the shock body (and springs are in the stock location, presumably =
as required by the rules).<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">As much fun as it can be t=
o squeeze the rulebook, it can also be fun to squeeze it the other way and =
be as close to stock as possible. IMHO, that's what a lot of folks did back=
in the old days with things like Armstrong 22's, etc. The look on some fol=
ks' faces when you tell them you have a stock suspension setup is "priceles=
s".<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" data-setdir=3D"false">I'll add one more suggestion to Mark's quest - Go=
odparts sells a trailing arm shock link that is super strong and works very=
well in conjunction with the uprated Armstrong shocks. I mention this beca=
use the available shock links from the usual sources use an elastomer that =
breaks down fairly quickly and that translates to having to replace them ev=
ery 4 to 6 events, at least that was my experience. I;ve had the Gooparts l=
ink on the car for 7+ years and no issues at all.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Summary=
:</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Trialing arm motion is a 2 di=
mensional arc</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Proper bump stops=
are absolutely critical</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Stock =
shock location is very good using the uprated stock-style shock</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Stock shock links suck, upgrade to Goodpar=
ts of fabricate your own</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">MATCH =
YOUR SHOCK SETTINGS TO YOUR SPRINGS <- SUPER IMPORTANT</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"=
false">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang<br></d=
iv><div><br></div>
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On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 08:51:45 PM EST, Pono=
style <ponobill@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div>You guys jus=
t don=E2=80=99t squeeze the rulebook hard enough. If your roll cage is =E2=
=80=9Cbraced=E2=80=9D by extending from near the top of the cage to the rea=
r spring mount or thereabout, you have an ideal place to mount a shock that=
doesn=E2=80=99t depend on a spindly frame. Also makes said spindly frame a=
lot less spindly.<div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><br class=3D"ydpe=
ef80ce8yiv6023840012" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012=
">
<div><b class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">Bill Babcock</b><br class=3D"ydp=
eef80ce8yiv6023840012" clear=3D"none"><i class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"=
>Beach Bum</i><br class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012" clear=3D"none"><a shap=
e=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:bill@ponostyle.com"; class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv602384=
0012" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">bill@ponostyle.com</a><br class=3D=
"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012" clear=3D"none">https://www.Ponostyle.com<br clas=
s=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012" clear=3D"none"></div>
</div>
<div id=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012yqt00076" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840=
012yqt2461332855"><div><br class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012" clear=3D"none=
"><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div class=
=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">On Jan 31, 2024, at 11:38 AM, Mark Cook via F=
ot <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"ydpeef=
80ce8yiv6023840012" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</=
a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012Apple-interchange-n=
ewline" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"></div></bloc=
kquote></div></div></div></div><div id=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012yqt84629"=
class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012yqt2461332855"><div><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: =
400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-=
space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-decorati=
on-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8=
yiv6023840012WordSection1"><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:=
12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"=
class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">Bob and Charly,</span></div><div style=
=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D=
"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibr=
i, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"> =
</span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;fon=
t-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font=
-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=
=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">Thanks =E2=80=93 It crossed my mind about pot=
ential rear frame damage with the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting =
the rear shocks. Not a lot of support there compared to the original =
lever shocks. So, with your and Charly=E2=80=99s comments, will likel=
y refit with adjustable lever shocks for the rear.</span></div><div style=
=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D=
"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibr=
i, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"> =
</span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;fon=
t-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font=
-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=
=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">Appreciate both your and Mark S=E2=80=99s com=
ments on Delrin/Nylatron which is also helpful. </span></div><d=
iv style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" =
class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-famil=
y:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv60238=
40012"> </span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:=
12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"=
class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">Hope to see you at VIR in March/April.&=
nbsp; Will not be driving, but will be up to watch.</span></div><div style=
=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D=
"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibr=
i, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"> =
</span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;fon=
t-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font=
-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=
=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">Thanks you,</span></div><div style=3D"margin:=
0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce=
8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-ser=
if;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"> </spa=
n></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Ne=
w serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;=
font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"ydpeef80c=
e8yiv6023840012">Mark</span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73,=
125);" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"> </span></div><div class=
=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;bo=
rder-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181, 196, 223);padding:3pt 0in 0in;=
" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;=
font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><=
b class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">From:</span></b=
><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"yd=
peef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012Apple-conver=
ted-space"> </span>Robert Lang [<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:rober=
tlangtr6@yahoo.com" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration-line: underline=
; text-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;" class=
=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">mailto:rob=
ertlangtr6@yahoo.com</a>]<span class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012Apple-conve=
rted-space"> </span><br class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012" clear=3D"no=
ne"><b class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">Sent:</b><span class=3D"ydpeef80c=
e8yiv6023840012Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, January 31, 2=
024 1:40 PM<br class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012" clear=3D"none"><b class=
=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">To:</b><span class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv602384001=
2Apple-converted-space"> </span><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@a=
utox.team.net" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration-line: underline; tex=
t-decoration-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor;" class=3D"y=
dpeef80ce8yiv6023840012" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.=
net</a>; Mark Cook<br class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012" clear=3D"none"><b =
class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">Subject:</b><span class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yi=
v6023840012Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spa=
x - TR6 racecar</span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001=
pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012=
"> </div><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div class=3D"ydpeef=
80ce8yiv6023840012"><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023=
840012">Hi,</span></div></div><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div =
style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" cla=
ss=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:H=
elvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"> </span></d=
iv></div><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div style=3D"margin:0in 0=
in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6=
023840012"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;=
" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">Go with the Koni shocks in front. The =
SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" =
and without the gas, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over =
the course of a session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus =
or minus.</span></div></div><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div st=
yle=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=
=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Hel=
vetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"> </span></div=
></div><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in=
0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv602=
3840012"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">For the rears, unless you converted to a=
coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE =
TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups=
out there and you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write=
a lot on this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stop=
s AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural fai=
lure over time.</span></div></div><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><=
div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;"=
class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fami=
ly:Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"> </span=
></div></div><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div style=3D"margin:0=
in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8=
yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-se=
rif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">So - get a set of stock Armstrong =
lever shocks for the rear and get<span class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012App=
le-converted-space"> </span><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://nosimport=
.com/" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decora=
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e8yiv6023840012" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">nosimport.com</a><span =
class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012Apple-converted-space"> </span>(world=
wide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get bo=
th a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your fram=
e. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and brea=
k the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long ti=
me and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear s=
quat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.</sp=
an></div></div><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div style=3D"margin=
:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80c=
e8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-=
serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"> </span></div></div><div c=
lass=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"ydpe=
ef80ce8yiv6023840012">Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is th=
e same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.</sp=
an></div></div><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div style=3D"margin=
:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80c=
e8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-=
serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"> </span></div></div><div c=
lass=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"ydpe=
ef80ce8yiv6023840012">Regards,</span></div></div><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8y=
iv6023840012"><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-fam=
ily:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"font-size=
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tyle=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" clas=
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lvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"> </span></di=
v></div></div><div id=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yahoo_quoted_69=
02120541" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv60=
23840012"><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div style=3D"margin:0in =
0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv=
6023840012"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif=
;color:rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">On Wednesday, J=
anuary 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <<a shape=3D"rect"=
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;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38, 40, 42);" cl=
ass=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"> </span></div></div><div class=3D"yd=
peef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12p=
t;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38, 40, 42);" c=
lass=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"> </span></div></div><div class=3D"y=
dpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div id=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yiv3=
804697143" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6=
023840012"><div class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"><p style=3D"margin-right=
:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef=
80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"=
ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">Quick question (maybe?). I am replaci=
ng the existing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784). Bushings a=
re worn out as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX sh=
ocks on my =E2=80=9969 TR6 racecar. I am more familiar with Bilstein,=
Koni and MCS. <span class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012Apple-converted-=
space"> </span></span></p><p style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in=
;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012yd=
p518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:=
Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv602384=
0012"> </span></p><p style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d=
1yiv3804697143msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetic=
a, sans-serif;color:rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012">An=
y preference? Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjust=
er is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni=E2=80=99s every time =
I need to adjust the suspension.</span></p><p style=3D"margin-right:0in;mar=
gin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv=
6023840012ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;=
font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"ydpeef80=
ce8yiv6023840012"> </span></p><p style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left=
:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv60238400=
12ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv60=
23840012">Using the =E2=80=9Cwhile I am in there=E2=80=9D approach, I will =
be replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings. Have purchased N=
ylatron bushings. Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.</span></p><p s=
tyle=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:New ser=
if;" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38,=
40, 42);" class=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012"> </span></p><p style=3D"=
margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;" cla=
ss=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38, 40, 42)=
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