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Bob,Yes, I also ran into the issue of the side of the MS rod hitting the b=
ottom of the bore. Nothing like taking a grinder to a freshly honed block! =
As it turned out, I only needed to make about an 1/8" chamfer on one side. =
Car has been running well for a couple of race weekends so far. Even surviv=
ed Henry Morrison racing it at RA! Just kidding, Henry was a huge help with=
sorting and set up. I also have the MS roods in my Sprite 1275 and in our =
TR3. Seem to be pretty bombproof, and the price point is hard to beat.
Hope to see you all at the Cup in July!Jake
On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 07:24:26 AM CST, Robert Lang via Fot <=
fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
Hi - For TR6, the challenge is the bore being less than 3 inches. A lot o=
f the aftermarket rod big ends won't fit down the bore. So, from this seat,=
the choices are limited. The Max SPeeding rods use 5/16" ARP 2000 rod bolt=
s, so they will not fit into a stock bore, you MUST overbore by +.030 or mo=
re. At least that's what I recall. Most of us will go for a max. overbore t=
o be legal, +.040 but there's most likely some motors out there that are mo=
re than .040 over... the point being that the larger than stock big end dim=
ensions will work with those over-overbores. One potential "gotcha" for the=
H-beam rods is the side clearance to the bottom of the piston bore on one =
side is almost zero, so you have to relieve the bottom of the piston bore f=
or clearance. This is no big deal, but it must be done. This is one area wh=
ere the Carillo and Pauter has an advantage... one less "step" in the build=
process.
I will also say that I built a motor a few years ago with the MaxSpeeding R=
ods and had them checked out and found them to be as others reported, dimen=
sions spot on, and balanced and equal weight within less than 1 gram across=
the set. Actually, 5 rods were the same weight and one was about .5 grams =
heavier. I also saw a small variance in the small end bush and had to light=
ly hone 1 of the rods to get the wrist pin to fit properly. Honestly, the f=
inish of the parts was impressive. I'll probably use them again. The bigges=
t reason: when I bought that set, it was less expensive for a entire set th=
an it would be to recondition and balance a set of stock rods.
I don't have enough hours on that engine to address longevity, but I will s=
ay that at the time I bought the set from Max SPeeding, several FOTs also r=
eported on or off list that they had good experience with them. I have seen=
zero reports to the contrary.
Based on that experience, other than potential questions about the material=
composition of the rods, e.g. 4130 steel, I wouldn't steer anyone away fro=
m using these parts. And right now, I'll take new metal over stuff that was=
made when the earth was still cooling... anytime.
Regards,Bob Lang
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:26:14 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fo=
t <fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
Gosh guys, with the almost unlimited selection of racing rods for Ford and=
Chevy v8 monster engines at reasonable prices, why are you paying and pray=
ing for stock =C2=A0sized replicas?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 25, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
=EF=BB=BF
I=E2=80=99ve used the Pauter rods to good effect, too.=C2=A0 They have prov=
en very durable for me!
=20
Scott (B.)
=20
=C2=A0
=20
From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf OfBrad Eells via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 1:48 PM
To: walt@hot-tr6.com
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Walt,
=20
=C2=A0
=20
I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bol=
t than Carillo.
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt =
failure=E2=80=A6good enough for me.
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.
=20
Brad Eells
=20
Sent from my iPhone
=20
=20
On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
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=EF=BB=BF
=20
I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connectin=
g rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo=
rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods.
=20
Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or=
should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?
=20
Thanks,
=20
Walter Hollowell
=20
Albuquerque, New Mexico
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=C2=A0
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false">Yes, I also ran into the issue of the side of the MS r=
od hitting the bottom of the bore. Nothing like taking a grinder to a fresh=
ly honed block! As it turned out, I only needed to make about an 1/8" chamf=
er on one side. Car has been running well for a couple of race weekends so =
far. Even survived Henry Morrison racing it at RA! Just kidding, Henry was =
a huge help with sorting and set up. I also have the MS roods in my Sprite =
1275 and in our TR3. Seem to be pretty bombproof, and the price point is ha=
rd to beat.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hope to see you all at the Cup in July!</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Jake</div><div><br></div>
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On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 07:24:26 AM CST, Rober=
t Lang via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324"><div><div style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px=
;" class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpe19d721ayahoo-style-wrap"><div></div=
>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi - For TR6, the challenge is the bore being less=
than 3 inches. A lot of the aftermarket rod big ends won't fit down the bo=
re. So, from this seat, the choices are limited. The Max SPeeding rods use =
5/16" ARP 2000 rod bolts, so they will not fit into a stock bore, you MUST =
overbore by +.030 or more. At least that's what I recall. Most of us will g=
o for a max. overbore to be legal, +.040 but there's most likely some motor=
s out there that are more than .040 over... the point being that the larger=
than stock big end dimensions will work with those over-overbores. One pot=
ential "gotcha" for the H-beam rods is the side clearance to the bottom of =
the piston bore on one side is almost zero, so you have to relieve the bott=
om of the piston bore for clearance. This is no big deal, but it must be do=
ne. This is one area where the Carillo and Pauter has an advantage... one l=
ess "step" in the build process.<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I will also say that I built a mot=
or a few years ago with the MaxSpeeding Rods and had them checked out and f=
ound them to be as others reported, dimensions spot on, and balanced and eq=
ual weight within less than 1 gram across the set. Actually, 5 rods were th=
e same weight and one was about .5 grams heavier. I also saw a small varian=
ce in the small end bush and had to lightly hone 1 of the rods to get the w=
rist pin to fit properly. Honestly, the finish of the parts was impressive.=
I'll probably use them again. The biggest reason: when I bought that set, =
it was less expensive for a entire set than it would be to recondition and =
balance a set of stock rods.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">I don't have enough hours on that engine to address longe=
vity, but I will say that at the time I bought the set from Max SPeeding, s=
everal FOTs also reported on or off list that they had good experience with=
them. I have seen zero reports to the contrary.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br =
clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Based on that experience, other than =
potential questions about the material composition of the rods, e.g. 4130 s=
teel, I wouldn't steer anyone away from using these parts. And right now, I=
'll take new metal over stuff that was made when the earth was still coolin=
g... anytime.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Lang<br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br=
clear=3D"none"></div>
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4fcf6fyiv2242704324yqt4340568918"><div>
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:26:14 PM EST, John=
H. Hasty via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<div><div id=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv11679=
42297"><div>
Gosh guys, with the almost unlimited selection of racing rods for Ford and =
Chevy v8 monster engines at reasonable prices, why are you paying and prayi=
ng for stock sized replicas?<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div id=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297yqt97760" class=
=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297yqt7169228958"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 25, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
</blockquote>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
</div></blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14d=
a6yiv1167942297yqt37746" class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv116=
7942297yqt7169228958"><div><div class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da=
6yiv1167942297WordSection1">
<p class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal">I=E2=
=80=99ve used the Pauter rods to good effect, too. They have proven v=
ery durable for me!<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal">Scot=
t (B.)</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal"> &nb=
sp;</p>=20
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der-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0i=
n;">
<p class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal"><b>F=
rom:</b> Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Brad Eells via Fot<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 25, 2023 1:48 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> walt@hot-tr6.com<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> fot <fot@autox.team.net><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question</p>=20
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal"> &nb=
sp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal">Walt=
,</p>=20
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sp;</p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal">I we=
nt with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt th=
an Carillo.</p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal"> &nb=
sp;</p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal">Mart=
y Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt fail=
ure=E2=80=A6good enough for me.</p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal"> &nb=
sp;</p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b1=
4da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal">Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but wor=
th a look.</p>=20
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal">Brad=
Eells</p>=20
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal">Sent=
from my iPhone</p>=20
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<p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b1=
4da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal">On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell vi=
a Fot <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</p>=20
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=BB=BF</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal">I ha=
ve built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting ro=
ds with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rod=
s which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods.
</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal">Do a=
nd FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or sho=
uld I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6e4fcf6fyiv2242704324ydpb1b14da6yiv1167942297MsoNormal">Than=
ks,</p>=20
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er Hollowell</p>=20
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