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Ah that may work but there is more than one reason to run a shroud. You do=
not want any more air than necessary under the hood. It has to find an ex=
it out, no small task, and it produces drag among other things. If you use=
a well-designed shroud you can then tape the nose on a very cold race day =
to bring temps up and to reduce drag even more. It=E2=80=99s the way they =
do it on all modern race cars, only enough air in for systems, no more. On=
my TR I pick up the air for carbs through a K&N air filter inside the shro=
ud (behind grill) and in front of radiator. You get cold air to Weber=E2=
=80=99s through filter, down the air pipe and into a sealed plenum box for =
the carbs. Have run this setup at well over 100 F with no overheating.
Ken
From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chris Marx via Fot
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 12:35 PM
To: 'Tony Drews' <tony@tonydrews.com>; fot@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
I disagree on this, I never ran a shroud. Certainly it does help=E2=80=A6.b=
ut my cooling system is so over the top that I need to run a thermostat to =
get it to operation temperature or I see 160F.
On the photo you see the ready to race configuration.
Cheers
Chris
Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:28
Betreff: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
Radiator shroud intact? That's kind of vital.
Regards, Tony
On 6/10/2022 2:25 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote:
Somehow your radiator system is inefficient.
My TR4 temperature is nailed to 185F and don=E2=80=99t move away from=E2=80=
=A6range maybe from 180 to 190.
I use:
1. Good aluminum radiator
2. Blocked small circuit
3. Automatic bleeding system
4. 7 blade pump
5. Smaller drive pulley to lower water pump speed
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:18
Betreff: RE: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses
r4racing@googlemail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 12:17 PM
To: 'Philip Gott'; Dave Riddle
Subject: AW: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
Yeah, that was my thought.
Besides that, I use a thermostat in my TR4.
Cheers
Chris
Im Auftrag von Philip Gott via Fot
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07
Betreff: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
Time to get the radiator flushed.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot@autox.team.net <mailt=
o:fot@autox.team.net> > wrote:
=EF=BB=BF
I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 de=
gree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in ther=
e since the 1990s. The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I heate=
d the water but It is still suspect. Here in the Phoenix area it is the ra=
re day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps leading to pr=
olonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that when running f=
or prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps would quic=
kly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at surface Street =
speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a mile or two the te=
mps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.
Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one altoget=
her?
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link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div class=3DWor=
dSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>Ah that may=
work but there is more than one reason to run a shroud.=C2=A0 You do not w=
ant any more air than necessary under the hood.=C2=A0 It has to find an exi=
t out, no small task, and it produces drag among other things.=C2=A0 If you=
use a well-designed shroud you can then tape the nose on a very cold race =
day to bring temps up and to reduce drag even more.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s the =
way they do it on all modern race cars, only enough air in for systems, no =
more.=C2=A0 On my TR I pick up the air for carbs through a K&N air filt=
er inside the shroud (behind grill) and in front of radiator.=C2=A0 You get=
cold air to Weber=E2=80=99s through filter, down the air pipe and into a s=
ealed plenum box for the carbs.=C2=A0 Have run this setup at well over 100 =
F with no overheating.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span styl=
e=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'color:windowtext'>Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div sty=
le=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><=
span style=3D'color:windowtext'> Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>=
On Behalf Of </b>Chris Marx via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 2022 1=
2:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Tony Drews' <tony@tonydrews.com>; fot@autox.te=
am.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...<o=
:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>I disagree on this, I =
never ran a shroud. Certainly it does help=E2=80=A6.but my cooling system i=
s so over the top that I need to run a thermostat to get it to operation te=
mperature or I see 160F.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'color:windowtext'>On the photo you see the ready to race conf=
iguration.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:w=
indowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'=
color:windowtext'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'color:windowtext'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style=
=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE style=3D'color:windowtext'>Von:</spa=
n></b><span lang=3DDE style=3D'color:windowtext'> Fot <<a href=3D"mailto=
:fot-bounces@autox.team.net">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>Im Auftr=
ag von </b>Tony Drews via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21=
:28<br><b>An:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net<=
/a><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>R=
adiator shroud intact? That's kind of vital.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Regards=
, Tony<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 6/10/2022 2:25 PM, Chris =
Marx via Fot wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0=
pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>Somehow your radiator system i=
s inefficient.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My TR4 temperature is nai=
led to 185F and don=E2=80=99t move away from=E2=80=A6range maybe from 180 t=
o 190.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I use:<o:p></o:p></p><ol style=3D=
'margin-top:0in' start=3D1 type=3D1><li class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'm=
argin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>Good aluminum radiator<o:p></o:p></=
li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1=
lfo3'>Blocked small circuit<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph st=
yle=3D'margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>Automatic bleeding system<o=
:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-left:0in;mso-lis=
t:l1 level1 lfo3'>7 blade pump<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>Smaller drive pulley to l=
ower water pump speed <o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p>=
</o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;pad=
ding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>Von:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DDE> Dave Riddle <a href=3D"mailto:Dave@microworks.net";><=
;Dave@microworks.net></a> <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21=
:18<br><b>An:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";>tr4racing@goo=
glemail.com</a>; 'Philip Gott' <a href=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com";><vfra=
cing@aol.com></a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fo=
t@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> RE: [Fot] To thermostat or not to t=
hermostat...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Brand new A=
luminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses </span><o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><d=
iv><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0=
in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> <a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com=
">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"=
>mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 202=
2 12:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Philip Gott'; Dave Riddle<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> AW=
: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Yeah, th=
at was my thought.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Besides that, I use a thermostat in my TR4.<o:p></o:p>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div st=
yle=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in=
'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span lang=3DDE> F=
ot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>fot-bounces@autox.team=
=2Enet</a>> <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Philip Gott via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b=
> Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07<br><b>An:</b> Dave Riddle <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:Dave@microworks.net">Dave@microworks.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re=
: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D=
'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Time to get the radiator flushed.<o:p></o:p></p><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><blockquot=
e style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot =
<<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:=
<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;mar=
gin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal>I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtaine=
d a new 180 degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that ha=
s been in there since the 1990s. The old one I put in a pot and saw i=
t open when I heated the water but It is still suspect. Here in the P=
hoenix area it is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with amb=
ient temps leading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had not=
iced that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 R=
PM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and =
moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights wit=
hin a mile or two the temps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Shou=
ld I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one altogether?=
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span style=3D'color:blue'><a href=3D"http://www.microworks.net/";><=
span style=3D'text-decoration:none'><image001.jpg></span></a></span><=
o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Dave Riddle</span></b><o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Business IT Consulting<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal>Office: 480-610-8234<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>eMail: <a=
href=3D"mailto:dave@microworks.net";>dave@microworks.net</a><o:p></o:p></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Website: <a href=3D"http://www.microworks.net/";>http:/=
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