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From: Chris Marx via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 22:46:10 +0100
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To specify the silicone:

Two options:

W=C3=BCrth red special 250

RTV black 260 or more

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At least, the engine design is quite rough and not a NASA built.

I guess most things would work.

I try to keep it simple and what is handy and modern.

The good thing with silicone=E2=80=A6..it glues the sleeves in place. =
Very convenient at the track when you need to remove the head.

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Cheers

Chris

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Von: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von adcronin via Fot
Gesendet: Montag, 8. Februar 2021 21:45
An: John Macartney <john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk>
Cc: Triumph List <triumphs@autox.team.net>; FOT List Triumph =
<fot@autox.team.net>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses

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RESULTS OF Fo8 SEALANT THREAD=E2=80=94Thanks again to all who =
contributed

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We had around 25 responses of one sort or another, several good =
suggestions and a couple of =E2=80=9Cheads up=E2=80=9D  regarding =
=E2=80=9Caggressive=E2=80=9D motor oil potential reaction with some =
sealants.

Most popular with 7 users was HYLOMAR BLUE

Next was PERMATEX AVIATION with 5 users

Then came YAMABOND #5 with 3 users

Followed by unspecified SILICONE with 2 users

COPPER COAT,  PERMATEX BROWN and INDIAN HEAD SHELLAC each had 1 user

Several responders suggested that perhaps if the mating surfaces (see =
below) were in good shape then no sealant al all might be the way to =
go...

One responder (with a couple of like minded individuals)suggested using =
an old liner cleaned up and true as a sort of hone to polish the =
=E2=80=9Cland=E2=80=9D in the block.  This might also work to emphasize =
highs and lows in the land if a bit of Prussian blue was applied to the =
land prior to using the =E2=80=9Chone=E2=80=9D.

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On Feb 8, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John Macartney =
wrote:

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Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a =
particular product or brand=E2=80=A6.

Basic Reasons:

1. Unless absolutely essential, the company policy was not to recommend =
any one product over another except for things such as oils and fuel =
octane ratings which latter are calculated still in two different ways.
2. Some products are known in only a few markets and not all of them. =
Company was supplying product to over 100 different markets.
3. The cars were only designed to last for a maximum period of 10 years, =
so why bother as mostly the cars would be maintained by the dealers for =
all but the simplest tasks.

Yes, I remember each car handbook described how to set valve clearances =
and ignition timing whereas today, the handbook in my wife=E2=80=99s new =
car points out the dangers of drinking battery acid.

I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant =
called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have =
ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!

Jonmac



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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE>To specify the =
silicone:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE>Two =
options:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DDE>W=C3=BCrth red special 250<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE>RTV black 260 or =
more<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DDE><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>At least, the =
engine design is quite rough and not a NASA built.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I guess most things would work.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I try to keep it simple and what is handy and =
modern.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The good thing with =
silicone=E2=80=A6..it glues the sleeves in place. Very convenient at the =
track when you need to remove the head.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span =
lang=3DDE> Fot &lt;fot-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; <b>Im Auftrag von =
</b>adcronin via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 8. Februar 2021 =
21:45<br><b>An:</b> John Macartney =
&lt;john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Triumph List =
&lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;; FOT List Triumph =
&lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] [TR] Fo8 =
Sealants Question and List Responses<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#4F7A28'>RESULTS OF Fo8 SEALANT =
THREAD=E2=80=94Thanks again to all who =
contributed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#4F7A28'>We had around 25 responses of one sort or =
another, several good suggestions and a couple of&nbsp;=E2=80=9Cheads =
up=E2=80=9D &nbsp;regarding&nbsp;=E2=80=9Caggressive=E2=80=9D motor oil =
potential reaction with some =
sealants.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#4F7A28'>Most popular with 7 users =
was&nbsp;HYLOMAR&nbsp;BLUE</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#4F7A28'>Next was PERMATEX =
AVIATION with 5 users</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#4F7A28'>Then came YAMABOND #5 =
with 3 users</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#4F7A28'>Followed by&nbsp;unspecified&nbsp;SILICONE with =
2 users</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#4F7A28'>COPPER COAT, &nbsp;PERMATEX BROWN and INDIAN =
HEAD SHELLAC each had 1 user</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#4F7A28'>Several responders =
suggested that perhaps if the mating surfaces (see below) were in good =
shape then no sealant al all might be the way to =
go...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#4F7A28'>One responder (with a couple of like minded =
individuals)suggested using an old liner cleaned up and true as a sort =
of hone to polish the&nbsp;=E2=80=9Cland=E2=80=9D in the block. =
&nbsp;This might also work to emphasize highs and lows in the land if a =
bit of&nbsp;Prussian&nbsp;blue was applied to the land prior to using =
the&nbsp;=E2=80=9Chone=E2=80=9D.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#4F7A28'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#4F7A28'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Feb =
8, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John Macartney &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk";>john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk=
</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not =
specify a particular product or brand=E2=80=A6.<br><br>Basic =
Reasons:<br><br>1. Unless absolutely essential, the company policy was =
not to recommend any one product over another except for things such as =
oils and fuel octane ratings which latter are calculated still in two =
different ways.<br>2. Some products are known in only a few markets and =
not all of them. Company was supplying product to over 100 different =
markets.<br>3. The cars were only designed to last for a maximum period =
of 10 years, so why bother as mostly the cars would be maintained by the =
dealers for all but the simplest tasks.<br><br>Yes, I remember each car =
handbook described how to set valve clearances and ignition timing =
whereas today, the handbook in my wife=E2=80=99s new car points out the =
dangers of drinking battery acid.<br><br>I do recall some manuals and =
service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, =
few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this =
list has speculated on =
it!<br><br>Jonmac<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
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