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Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question

To: "trhouse@columbus.rr.com" <trhouse@columbus.rr.com>, Dave Hogye <dlhogye@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question
From: Jim Shaw via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 19:08:36 +0000 (UTC)
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 The one under my 57 is signal red.Jim
    On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot <fot@=
autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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 I=E2=80=99ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one =
had a red body.=C2=A0Dave H.=C2=A0

Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot <fot@autox.team.net=
> wrote:


When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of r=
andom differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally to=
ok it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted fo=
r paint went on it . predominately they were Black=C2=A0
Tom



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From: "Tony Sheach via Fot"=20
To: "Henry A. Morrison"
Cc: "FOT Triumph"
Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question

Hi all
Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam acrossthis she looking =
at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I startedbuilding the 1958 Earls Court =
demonstrator (3a) registered2SMC.
Cars had three =E2=80=98standards=E2=80=99 of prep it seems and the records=
show =E2=80=98A/A=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98A/B=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98A/C=E2=80=99 et=
c but no one seems to know what thatreally meant. I surmised that it might =
be rolling chassis, displaycar and demonstrator car for test use just by lo=
oking at the 57 and58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had n=
ice chromebits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time.O=
ther at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a=E2=80=99s and awhite =
rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered3SMC looks to hav=
e a white chassis from the period B&W pics.Could be all wrong of course.
The other white chassis cars were from the competitionsdepartment who tende=
d to paint some Chassis white (not all by anymeans) so that cracks could be=
 seen easily. This flowed into theTR4 programme, where each of the four car=
s alway ran on whitechassis frames and still do today.
Hope this is usefulTony=C2=A0


Sent from my iPad
On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot<fot@autox.team.net> wro=
te:

=EF=BB=BFMy red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 whiteca=
r is white as well..............
Henry Morrison

Sent from Outlook


From: Fot<fot-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Joe Alexander viaFot <fo=
t@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM
To: Steven Belfer <steve@artwithcars.com>
Cc: FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question=C2=A0Essentially, that seems to=
 be true.

But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because ofdisplay chassi=
s, etc.

I encountered it when I was involved in a concours.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:=C2=A0 319.464.4711


> On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot<fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
>
> =EF=BB=BFI need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3frames =
ever come from the factory in colors other thanblack?=C2=A0=C2=A0 I say bla=
ck only.
>
> ~Steve
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The one under my 57 is signa=
l red.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Jim</div><div><br></div>
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                    On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hog=
ye via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"yiv2520104114"><div>I=E2=80=99ve seen a cou=
ple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body.&nbsp;<di=
v>Dave H.&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D=
"yiv2520104114AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div class=3D"yi=
v2520104114yqt6184438908" id=3D"yiv2520104114yqt25496"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
 clear=3D"none">On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot &lt=
;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:f=
ot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">When we were setting up originali=
ty guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color.=
 some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the pai=
nt gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominatel=
y they were Black&nbsp;<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Tom</div><div><br=
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=3D"yiv2520104114reply-new-signature"></div><p>----------------------------=
-------------</p>From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" <br clear=3D"none">To: "Henry =
A. Morrison"<br clear=3D"none">Cc: "FOT Triumph"<br clear=3D"none">Sent: Tu=
esday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM<br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 f=
rame color question<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
Hi all
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across
this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started
building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered
2SMC.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Cars had three =E2=80=98standards=E2=80=99 of prep it seems and the re=
cords
show =E2=80=98A/A=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98A/B=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98A/C=E2=80=99 et=
c but no one seems to know what that
really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display
car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and
58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome
bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time.
Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a=E2=80=99s and a
white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered
3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&amp;W pics.
Could be all wrong of course.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>The other white chassis cars were from the competitions
department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any
means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the
TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white
chassis frames and still do today.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Hope this is useful</div>
<div>Tony&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iP=
ad</div>
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On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white
car is white as well..............</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv2520104114PlainText"><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11pt;">Essentially, that seems to be true.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
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But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of
display chassis, etc.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
I encountered it when I was involved in a concours.<br clear=3D"none"><br c=
lear=3D"none">
Joe Alexander<br clear=3D"none">
4505 Donald Dr<br clear=3D"none">
Cedar Falls, IA 50613<br clear=3D"none">
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&gt; =EF=BB=BFI need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3
frames ever come from the factory in colors other than
black?&nbsp;&nbsp; I say black only.<br clear=3D"none">
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