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I've seen blocks that were faced with a slope to one side. Could have been
bad prior machine work or that the factory registered the deck surface to
the figure eight's and not the oil pan surface.
Bob Kramer
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:39 PM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <
fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *Van: *"van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>
> *Aan: *"Phil Gott" <vfracing@aol.com>
> *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 21:37:40
> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall
> Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK
>
> That's why the copper gaskets are a bit thicker than the steel ones.
> The liners of Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006 : probabl=
y
> not relevant?) and the block can be milled : that is surely an advantage =
to
> get a flat top face and the right protrusion of the liners everywhere. F=
ew
> blocks are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion is not even
> everywhere. So I do agree that there is a lot to say for the longer liner=
s
> that Daryll is selling, not only the 72 =C2=A3 a set!
> Marcel
> ------------------------------
> *Van: *"fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
> *Aan: *"Tony and Annie Garmey" <horizonracing@msn.com>
> *Cc: *"fot" <fot@autox.team.net>, "fubog1" <fubog1@aol.com>
> *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 19:33:44
> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall
> Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK
>
> Daryl advocates decking the block as well To get proper protrusion.
> Eliminating the gasket reduces variation in protrusion due to variable
> gasket thicknesses, and also eliminates some of the possible loss of
> protrusion due to gasket compression ( more likely with copper than with
> steel).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot <
> fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct
> protrusion, the liner will hourglass .
> Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed
> with boring and honing to final finish size .
>
> Yes , a lot of work but you=E2=80=99ll get better ring seal and hopefully=
not
> stick a piston :-)
>
> Merry Christmas to all
> T
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm.
> I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything
> on them.
> Glen
>
> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the norma=
l
> thickness?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> To: Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com>
> Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston
> Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK
>
> The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018".
> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the norma=
l
> thickness?
> Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of
> machining.
> I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was
> always satisfied.
> Marcel.
>
> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> Van: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
> Aan: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
> Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51
> Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston
> Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK
>
> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used
> these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing.
>
> Thanks
> Greg.
>
>
>
> http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engi=
ne-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p=
914
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I've seen blocks that were faced with a slope to one s=
ide. Could have been bad prior machine work or that the factory registered =
the deck surface to the figure eight's and not the oil pan surface.<div=
><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-sma=
rtmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br=
></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:39 PM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <<a=
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0=
)"><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"gmail-m_114305748355406090zwchr"=
><div><b>Van: </b>"van mulders marcel" <<a href=3D"mailto:van.=
mulders.marcel@telenet.be" target=3D"_blank">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be<=
/a>><br><b>Aan: </b>"Phil Gott" <<a href=3D"mailto:vfracing=
@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">vfracing@aol.com</a>><br><b>Verzonden: </b>M=
aandag 16 december 2019 21:37:40<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Racetoratio=
ns TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Raceto=
rations UK<br></div><br><div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>That's why the cop=
per gaskets are a bit thicker than the steel ones.</div><div>The liners of =
Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006 : probably not relevant?)=
and the block can be milled : that is surely an advantage to get a flat to=
p face=C2=A0 and the right protrusion of the liners everywhere. Few blocks =
are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion is not even everywhere. So =
I do agree that there is a lot to say for the longer liners that Daryll is =
selling, not only the 72 =C2=A3 a set!<br></div><div>Marcel</div><hr id=3D"=
gmail-m_114305748355406090zwchr"><div><b>Van: </b>"fot" <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&g=
t;<br><b>Aan: </b>"Tony and Annie Garmey" <<a href=3D"mailto:h=
orizonracing@msn.com" target=3D"_blank">horizonracing@msn.com</a>><br><b=
>Cc: </b>"fot" <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>, "fubog1" <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:fubog1@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">fubog1@aol.com</a>><br><b>Verzon=
den: </b>Maandag 16 december 2019 19:33:44<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] R=
acetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations f=
rom Racetorations UK<br></div><br><div>Daryl advocates decking the block as=
well To get proper protrusion. Eliminating the gasket reduces variation in=
protrusion due to variable gasket thicknesses, and also eliminates some of=
the possible loss of protrusion due to gasket compression ( more likely wi=
th copper than with steel).<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote>On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and An=
nie Garmey via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote=
><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
</div></blockquote>
Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusio=
n, the liner will hourglass .=C2=A0
<div>Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed=
with boring and honing to final finish size .=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes , a lot of work but you=E2=80=99ll get better ring seal and hopefu=
lly not stick a piston :-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Merry Christmas to all=C2=A0</div>
<div>T<br>
<br>
<div>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox=
.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer=
" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<div><span style=3D"font-size:small">The liners distort a lot when torqued =
down, even 87mm.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:small">I have no experience with the liners i=
n question, so can't offer anything on them.<br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:small">Glen<br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">
<blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid blue;padding-left:3px">Why thick=
er walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough=C2=A0 with the normal thic=
kness?</blockquote>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.ne=
t" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target=
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w noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">gblak=
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Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Lin=
er - Racetorations from Racetorations UK<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.0=
16 or 0.018".<br clear=3D"none">
Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough=C2=A0 with the no=
rmal thickness?<br clear=3D"none">
Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of mac=
hining.<br clear=3D"none">
I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always=
satisfied.<br clear=3D"none">
Marcel.<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
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Van: "fot" <<a shape=3D"rect" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer nofol=
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Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51<br clear=3D"none">
Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner=
- Racetorations from Racetorations UK<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used t=
hese liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing.
<br clear=3D"none">
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Thanks <br clear=3D"none">
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