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Another vote for the "lincoln-locker".Yeah it pushes on the track, and doe=
sn't in the paddock, but they work.Glen
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From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: fot@autox.team.net <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 5:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Diffs
Back to broken diffs.=C2=A0 At the suggestion of Bob Tullius, I welded up =
the spider gears in the diff of my TR-4A IRS.=C2=A0 I raced with this setup=
, using all of the available gear ratios, for 24 years, and never had a dri=
veline failure, including driveshaft, half shafts and differential.=C2=A0 I=
used Corvair stub axles (also per Tullius), and with these, I never had a =
stub axle failure.=C2=A0 I always felt the welded up rear end was easier on=
the drive train than the various LSD's available at that time (Detroit Loc=
ker was the most popular).
Just relaying my experience.
Jack Wheeler
On Thursday, November 22, 2018, 1:31:25 PM EST, Mike Munson via Fot <fo=
t@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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I took it as Keith was throwing those numbers out there to give us an idea=
as to how much power the LSDs can handle. Thanks Keith, it was helpful inf=
o. FYI I use Lincoln Lockers in my TR6. I won=E2=80=99t post dyno sheets be=
cause my HP/Talent ratio is too high!
Mike=C2=A0#28 TR6
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On Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 7:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot@autox.=
team.net> wrote:
Any of you blokes that claim HP numbers need to attach the dyno sheet.=C2=
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:11 PM Keith Files via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
Hi Bob,
i am pretty sure that Tran X is the same as a Salisbury LSD and is still av=
ailable through TR Enterprises here in the UK.
I do not know what car you are using (TR4 i think) so a new Tran X is proba=
bly ok. I have 2 Salisbury LSD units in 2 axles for my TR4.
However, if you are running a TR6 then I would recommend a Gripper LSD as t=
hey can handle the extra power and need a lot less maintenance than the Sal=
isbury (I swapped out and sold both my Salisbury LSDs for 2 new Grippers fo=
r my TR6).
www.gripperlsd.com
Of interest my TR4 produces 194 bhp at the flywheel and my TR6 produces 252=
bhp at the flywheel.
Hope that helps,
Keith
=C2=A0
On 21 Nov 2018, at 14:40, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
Should be a lot of used carriers around?
On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 11:34:42 PM EST, Robert Lang via Fot <fo=
t@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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Hi,
I broke a diff at Thompson back in October and I finally did a post-mortem.=
Looks like a couple of bolts backed out and when the shit hit the fan, the=
4 or 5 that were still holding on sheared off. In any case, lots of metal =
bits in there. Some of the big pieces bounced around in the diff and there'=
s some gouges in the Tran-X center section. The question to the group is - =
assuming that I find no cracks in the center section, it it accepted practi=
ce to clean off the dings to prevent stress risers and re-use it or is this=
a "tosser".
Speaking of Tran-X, does anyone sell those now or are we limited to Quaife =
and GKN? I see that Rimmer lists both of those units. To be honest, I'm not=
a fan of Quaife because I have to run the rear a lot softer to prevent whe=
el spin in the tight stuff - that kills my times at places like Thompson an=
d Palmer (like 1.5 to 2 seconds a lap.) Speaking of GKN, I know nothing abo=
ut them other than "clutch type differential". Feel free to chime in if you=
have experience with those units.
Also, I am nearly 100% certain that I was using new lock washers and Red Lo=
ctite high strength thread compound, so the bolts backing out was a total s=
urprise when I cracked the case open. I was assuming that the pinion head h=
ad sheared off based on how the car felt when the diff broke. It was BANG a=
nd done - box full of neutrals.
Off topic - looks like I'm not driving at ButtonWillow, I got a reply from =
Joe Siam that he has nothing available for that date. Oh well. Look like my=
budget is going to gears and stuff anyway... ;-)
c ya,Bob Lang
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<div> <font size=3D"2">Another vote for the "lincoln-locker".</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Yeah it pushes on the track, and doesn't in the paddo=
ck, but they work.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Glen</font><br>
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From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
To: fot@autox.team.net <fot@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 5:52 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Diffs<br>
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<div>Back to broken diffs. At the suggestion of Bob Tullius, I welded=
up the spider gears in the diff of my TR-4A IRS. I raced with this s=
etup, using all of the available gear ratios, for 24 years, and never had a=
driveline failure, including driveshaft, half shafts and differential.&nbs=
p; I used Corvair stub axles (also per Tullius), and with these, I never ha=
d a stub axle failure. I always felt the welded up rear end was easie=
r on the drive train than the various LSD's available at that time (Detroit=
Locker was the most popular).</div>
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<div>Just relaying my experience.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Jack Wheeler<br clear=3D"none"></div>
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I took it as Keith was throwing those numbers out there to give us an idea =
as to how much power the LSDs can handle. Thanks Keith, it was helpful info=
. FYI I use Lincoln Lockers in my TR6. I won=E2=80=99t post dyno sheets bec=
ause my HP/Talent ratio is too high!
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<div>Mike </div>
<div>#28 TR6<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><a rel=
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e=3D"font-size:15px;color:#715FFA;padding-top:15px;margin-top:0;">On Wednes=
day, November 21, 2018, 7:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot@autox.team.n=
et> wrote:</div>
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font-size:small;">Any of you blokes that claim HP numbers need to attach th=
e dyno sheet. </div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:11 PM Keith Files via Fot <<=
a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.te=
am.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team=
.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div>
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e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>Hi Bob,
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>i am pretty sure that Tran X is the same as a Salisbury LSD and is sti=
ll available through TR Enterprises here in the UK.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>I do not know what car you are using (TR4 i think) so a new Tran X is =
probably ok. I have 2 Salisbury LSD units in 2 axles for my TR4.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>However, if you are running a TR6 then I would recommend a Gripper LSD=
as they can handle the extra power and need a lot less maintenance than th=
e Salisbury (I swapped out and sold both my Salisbury LSDs for 2 new Grippe=
rs for my TR6).</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"http://www.gripperlsd.com";>www.gripperlsd.com</a></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Of interest my TR4 produces 194 bhp at the flywheel and my TR6 produce=
s 252 bhp at the flywheel.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Hope that helps,</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Keith</div>
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Lang via Fot <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"m=
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pb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Hel=
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pb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Hel=
vetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">I broke a diff a=
t Thompson back in October and I finally did a post-mortem. Looks like a co=
uple of bolts backed out and when the shit hit the fan, the 4 or 5 that wer=
e still holding on sheared off. In any case, lots of metal bits in there. S=
ome of the big pieces bounced around in the diff and there's some gouges in=
the Tran-X center section. The question to the group is - assuming that I =
find no cracks in the center section, it it accepted practice to clean off =
the dings to prevent stress risers and re-use it or is this a "tosser".</di=
v>
<div class=3D"yiv4225691903ydpe430df44yiv8893426628m_-2675567912368232671yd=
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pb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Hel=
vetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Speaking of Tran=
-X, does anyone sell those now or are we limited to Quaife and GKN? I see t=
hat Rimmer lists both of those units. To be honest, I'm not a fan of Quaife=
because I have to run the rear a lot softer to prevent wheel spin in the t=
ight stuff - that kills my times at places like Thompson and Palmer (like 1=
.5 to 2 seconds a lap.) Speaking of GKN, I know nothing about them other th=
an "clutch type differential". Feel free to chime in if you have experience=
with those units.<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div class=3D"yiv4225691903ydpe430df44yiv8893426628m_-2675567912368232671yd=
pb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Hel=
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pb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Hel=
vetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Also, I am nearl=
y 100% certain that I was using new lock washers and Red Loctite high stren=
gth thread compound, so the bolts backing out was a total surprise when I c=
racked the case open. I was assuming that the pinion head had sheared off b=
ased on how the car felt when the diff broke. It was BANG and done - box fu=
ll of neutrals.</div>
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pb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Hel=
vetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Off topic - look=
s like I'm not driving at ButtonWillow, I got a reply from Joe Siam that he=
has nothing available for that date. Oh well. Look like my budget is going=
to gears and stuff anyway... ;-)</div>
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