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Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87 mm cylinders
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 16:00:41 -0400
I think that both the copper and steel shim gaskets need that "attention to 
detail".
I also suspect that uneven/incorrect liner height is the cause of many of the 
problems with these gaskets...
Glen

 





                                                        
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                        
                                        
                                                                        
                                
Tr4 cylinder sleeves/liners  compress no less than .001?at 100 ftlbs clamping.  
Some may compress more than others.  Solid copper gasket installation requires 
attention to details

 

 

 

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From: Mordy Dunst via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Oct 25, 2017 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87 mm cylinders

Tr4 cylinder sleeves/liners  compress no less than .001?at 100 ftlbs clamping.  
Some may compress more than others.  Solid copper gasket installation requires 
attention to details.  MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 Fax 626.628.3777 
Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 T FFL 6,7 SOT 2On Wednesday, October 25, 
2017, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:..."copper 
fire ring is a must" : John, do you mean on the steel shim gasket, or also on 
the solid copper gasket? I wonder if a fire ring on the solid copper gasket is 
necessary when the sleeves are protruding above the block?Marcel.Van: "fot" 
<fot at autox.team.net>Aan: "Mordy Dunst" <gasket.works at verizon.net>Cc: 
"fot" <fot at autox.team.net>Verzonden: Dinsdag 24 oktober 2017 
15:21:35Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87 mm cylinders?When I 
order my solid copper head gasket from Mordy, I ask that the scallop? be made 
on the intake valve only.  There's no reason to scallop around the exhaust 
valve and reduce the sealing surface.  There's always an amount of fine tuning 
of the head gasket to match the scallop on the head and liners based on your 
milling.  Never used a steel shim gasket- too thin. Copper fire ring is a 
must.On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot <fot at 
autox.team.net> wrote:The .032? copper headgaskets I supply to moss motors are 
pre- scalloped  for  valve relief on head.  Hondabond or yammabond ( pain in 
the butt) seals.BestMordyMDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616Fax 
626.628.3777Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471T FFL 6,7 SOT 2On Friday, 
October 20, 2017, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:This has 
been an issue for years, and it has delayed me putting my TR3 engine back 
together.  I have used a steel shim gasket for years with success, but it takes 
me 5 or so hours to put the gasket together, after grinding to properly fit the 
bores and then fitting the copper wire in the fire rings, then coating it with 
copper coat or Yamabond.It would be great to have a Cometic MLS gasket to just 
install and be done.  I spoke to Cometic about this some years ago and they 
wanted me to buy a large quantity (50 or 100, I forget) to justify the 
development costs.  I spoke with a couple of our TR part sellers, but since 
they had invested in tooling for steel shim gaskets (or others), they were not 
interested in pursuing this for their businesses.  The current Cometic gaskets 
do not account for the unshrouded intake valve.On a semi-related note, has 
anyone considered or tried having cylinder sleeves pressed into a block to 
eliminate the "wet" sleeves with the figure 8 gaskets at the bottom of the 
sleeve?  I am now racing a Honda S2000 and with my recent engine build I had 
Darton steel sleeves pressed in to eliminate the damaged aluminum bores (also 
87mm bore).  There are Darton wet sleeves that completely eliminate the 
aluminum bores and dry sleeves that are pressed into bored out aluminum bores.  
I was thinking that the Darton wet sleeves could maybe work in the TR3/4 block. 
 If sleeves are pressed in, the tops can be decked level with the block and 
eliminate the need to have the sleeves protrude above the block deck.   
Joe(B)---------- Original Message ----------From: patrickmannion1 via Fot <fot 
at autox.team.net>To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>, asg123 at 
centurylink.net, triumphs at autox.team.netCc: 'Friends of Triumph' <fot at 
autox.team.net>Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87  mm cylindersDate: 
Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:18:13 -0700Hi Jerry, I'm about to use Moss Motors supplied 
89mm liners. For years we've used standard liners, milled the head for 10:1 and 
higher street use. Carefully removing the lip on the head around the intake 
valve and notching and indexing each liner to match material removed from the 
cylinder head shrouding. Using 89mm liners (bigger bore) you will remove less 
material from the head to raise compression. If liner projection is correct 
we've used the steel shim head gasket BPNW have the correct gasket, be 
conservative in removing material. The heagasket also needs to be trimmed to 
compensate for material removed from the liner/intake port shroudind on the 
head. In modifying the head gasket you do not want it to "hang into" the 
combustion chamber or you will get detionation and gasket damage. Finally 
carefully use contact cement and glue a single strand of .012" Copper wire into 
the groove that is around the circumference of each cylinder of the gasket. I 
think I have pictures or can take some this weekend. We've done this for many 
years on lots of TR and Morgan race engines and have had great success and no 
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