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Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure

To: Peter Vucinic <pvucinic@netspace.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure
From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:44:22 -0400
Cc: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph' <fot@autox.team.net>
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so, while I respect the need proper operating temps, if the failure =
experienced is not bearing failure, but simply gear teeth breaking off =
under load, would lower temps help? =20
I run Redline synthetic.=20

On Jul 13, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Peter Vucinic wrote:

Get the oil temp down and use full synthetic.
I did much testing on my road going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at =
highway speed cruising, the oil temp is 180-200F.
With the diff =91tucked up=92 and limited air flow. You are starting =
with a problem before you start!
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"You can Make a Small Fortune =46rom Motor Racing. As long as You =
Started With A Lage Fortune!"
Kind Regards
Peter Vucinic
TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII
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From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 AM
To: Jason Ostrowski
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure
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thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a =
steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second =
gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I =
approached the sharp right to the uphill climb.  I'm sure that did not =
do the diff any good.
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Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very =
"vintage".
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Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a =
difference?  I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil.
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I will report back and send carnage photos when I get it out.
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On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
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I agree that it is consumable.
A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all =
the parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of =
other related projects.
Likely a costly and complex endeavor to say the least.
Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve =
recommends.
I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with =
the car.
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Begin Public Service announcement to all FoT...
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That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind =
yourself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain.
Perhaps most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a =
constant focus to smooth transition between the gears.
And really important is super smooth take-offs.
I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at the track =
with me most of the time.
He is never afraid to remind me of this.
And does so on a regular basis when I'm leaving the grid.
Even after all these years of coaching he will still often yell at me =
through my helmet prior to taking off.
something like....
 "Ride that F$#&%ng clutch baby!!"
or "Easy take off".
Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense =
moment taking off to hit the track.
One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the =
differential.
I can trace most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift =
transitions or abrupt starts...
We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, =
speaking for myself, I know it often is.
This was an FoT Public Service Announcement...
Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing.
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Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing=20
1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars  =20
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On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com> wrote:
Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. =
Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.
Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something =
stronger?  What are other vintage racers doing?

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after-white-space; ">so, while I respect the need proper operating =
temps, if the failure experienced is not bearing failure, but simply =
gear teeth breaking off under load, would lower temps help? &nbsp;<div>I =
run Redline synthetic.&nbsp;</div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 13, 2015, at =
2:32 PM, Peter Vucinic wrote:</div><br =
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Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I did much testing on my road =
going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at highway speed cruising, the oil temp =
is 180-200F.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
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11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">With =
the diff =91tucked up=92 and limited air flow. You are starting with a =
problem before you start!<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
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[mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net]<span =
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Janzen<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 =
AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Jason =
Ostrowski<br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'Friends of Triumph' =
Triumph<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential =
failure<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: =
0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">thanks, Jason - yes, I was =
banging through the gears, and there's now a steep 150' +/- DROP at this =
track, downhill turn, where I was in second gear at 7,000 RPM, first =
accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I approached the sharp =
right to the uphill climb. &nbsp;I'm sure that did not do the diff any =
good.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: =
0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Somehow the =
idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very =
"vintage".<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Question - has =
anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a difference? =
&nbsp;I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">I will report back and send carnage photos when I get =
it out.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Jul 13, =
2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">I agree that it is =
consumable.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">A change to =
something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the parts =
that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other =
related projects.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Likely a =
costly and complex endeavor&nbsp;to say the =
least.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Knowing you, I =
assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve =
recommends.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I notice you =
are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the =
car.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Begin Public =
Service announcement to all FoT...<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't =
forget to remind yourself regularly about how you need to treat the =
drivetrain.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Perhaps most =
importantly on this issue&nbsp;is careful driving&nbsp;with a constant =
focus to&nbsp;smooth transition between the =
gears.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">And really =
important is super smooth take-offs.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all =
time) at the track with me most of the =
time.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">He&nbsp;is =
never afraid to remind me of this.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">And does so&nbsp;on a regular basis when I'm leaving =
the grid.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Even after all =
these years of coaching he will still often&nbsp;yell at me through my =
helmet prior to taking off.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">something like....<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">&nbsp;"Ride that F$#&amp;%ng clutch =
baby!!"<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">or "Easy take =
off".<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Wisdom I'm not =
afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment&nbsp;taking =
off to hit the track.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">One slip of =
the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the =
differential.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I can trace =
most of my differential failures back to&nbsp;sketchy shift transitions =
or abrupt starts...<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">We all hate to =
admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, speaking for =
myself, I know it often is.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">This was an FoT&nbsp;Public Service =
Announcement...<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Brought to you =
by Friendly Ghost Racing.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">Jason Ostrowski<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">Friendly Ghost =
Racing&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">1969 Triumph =
GT6+ Racecars&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Sun, Jul =
12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sjanzen@me.com"; =
target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">sjanzen@me.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
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serif; ">Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at =
Pitt Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.<br>Should I =
just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something =
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