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We put two new repro trunnions on that car when we built it for Lemons. I kn=
ow one was replaced with a used one from my parts bin. I fill the trunnions=
with oil for assembly and the repro ones leaked. I think we used sealant to=
try to make them work and gave up on one of them. They are junk. =20
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 24, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Greg And Alison Blake via Fot <fot@autox.team=
.net> wrote:
>=20
> Not sure of the source. I believe this came from Bob Kramers parts bin whe=
n we originally put this car together back in 2010.=20
>=20
> There are no identification marks on the casting. I wonder why a manufactu=
rer would do that???
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On May 24, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Spitfire Racing <spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.c=
om> wrote:
>>=20
>> What was the supplier and how long ago was it purchased? There have been m=
ultiple production runs of these, most of them made in China with dubious qu=
ality and poor materials. At one point these production runs were then divid=
ed between TRF; Moss and VB. Earlier on many of us experienced the absolute c=
rap reproductions of the synchros used in TR-2thru TR-6. These were off dime=
nsionally and after doing a Rockwell test I found they were of poor quality s=
oft brass. These would fail within hours of initial use. Sadly as time goes o=
n there are more and more parts being dumped on the market from =E2=80=9Coff=
shore=E2=80=9D sources being sold by the Big Three.
>> =20
>> Maybe if we communicate widely what parts are crap, we can discourage the=
venders from selling such junk. It=E2=80=99s sad there are so many idle man=
ufactures in this country that could produce quality pieces and the venders s=
eek out Chinese sources.. It=E2=80=99s all about markup and profit margin.
>> =20
>> Russ Moore
>> Spitfire #49
>> =20
>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg And Aliso=
n Blake via Fot
>> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 12:15 PM
>> To: Bill Tobin
>> Cc: Amici Triumphi
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Transmission
>> =20
>> I just pulled one of those crappy repro parts out of Dave Foremans WRL TR=
6. The trunnion was shot after 4 endurance races. Garbage.=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On May 24, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:
>>=20
>> So what can you tell me about the trunnions? The good, the bad, or the ug=
ly.
>> Thanks, Bill
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Yellow04 via Fot
>> To: Amici Triumphi
>> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 8:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Transmission
>> =20
>> I will always look for a good, used OEM part before putting in the reprod=
uction garbage on the market today. Don't get me started on TR6 trunnions!
>>=20
>> Sent from Nine
>> =20
>> From: Terry Stetler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: May 23, 2015 9:22 PM
>> To: fubog1;charly@mitchelplumbing.com;william.tobin31@verizon.net;awashat=
ko@wi.rr.com;fot@autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Transmission
>> =20
>> I'll agree with you all the way on this Glen.
>> =20
>> That said we are approaching a point, sadly, where certain new replacemen=
t parts are of such dubious quality, that I am wondering how we can move for=
ward.=20
>> =20
>> TR3 steering box parts come to mind.
>> =20
>> Terry Stetler.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: fubog1 via Fot
>> To: charly@mitchelplumbing.com ; william.tobin31@verizon.net ; awashatko@=
wi.rr.com ; fot@autox.team.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 1:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 Transmission
>> =20
>> My point is in regard to Vintage, not to SCCA or any other Club Rules, I s=
hould make that clear, and also that I see hub/axle mods purely for safety r=
easons, and fully support the use of those upgrades.
>> I just think that in Vintage we should stick with stock-based Triumph com=
ponents re mechanicals, that's part of the challenge, but I will concede tha=
t availability of decent used cores, and lack of available new parts, is bec=
oming an issue in some cases.
>> Glen Efinger
>> =20
>> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>We put two new repro trunnions on that=
car when we built it for Lemons. I know one was replaced with a used one fr=
om my parts bin. I fill the trunnions with oil for assembly and the re=
pro ones leaked. I think we used sealant to try to make them work and gave u=
p on one of them. They are junk. <br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br=
>On May 24, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Greg And Alison Blake via Fot <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"tex=
t/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div>Not sure of the source. I believe this came fr=
om Bob Kramers parts bin when we originally put this car together back in 20=
10. </div><div><br></div><div>There are no identification marks on the c=
asting. I wonder why a manufacturer would do that???<br><br><br></div><div><=
br>On May 24, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Spitfire Racing <<a href=3D"mailto:spitf=
ire_racing@twcny.rr.com">spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>=
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" conte=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",&qu=
ot;sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What was the supplier and how long ago wa=
s it purchased? There have been multiple production runs of these, most of t=
hem made in China with dubious quality and poor materials. At one point thes=
e production runs were then divided between TRF; Moss and VB. Earlier on man=
y of us experienced the absolute crap reproductions of the synchros used in T=
R-2thru TR-6. These were off dimensionally and after doing a Rockwell test I=
found they were of poor quality soft brass. These would fail within hours o=
f initial use. Sadly as time goes on there are more and more parts being dum=
ped on the market from =E2=80=9Coff shore=E2=80=9D sources being sold by the=
Big Three.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4=
97D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4=
97D">Maybe if we communicate widely what parts are crap, we can discourage t=
he venders from selling such junk. It=E2=80=99s sad there are so many idle m=
anufactures in this country that could produce quality pieces and the vender=
s seek out Chinese sources.. It=E2=80=99s all about markup and profit margin=
.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p=
> </o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rus=
s Moore<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">Spitfire #49<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:=
#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-t=
op:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
rif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
;Tahoma","sans-serif""> Fot [<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@au=
tox.team.net">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gre=
g And Alison Blake via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 24, 2015 12:15 PM<br>=
<b>To:</b> Bill Tobin<br><b>Cc:</b> Amici Triumphi<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fo=
t] TR6 Transmission<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0=
pt">I just pulled one of those crappy repro parts out of Dave Foremans WRL T=
R6. The trunnion was shot after 4 endurance races. Garbage. <br><br><o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"=
><br>On May 24, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:f=
ot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><bl=
ockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",&q=
uot;sans-serif"">So what can you tell me about the trunnions? The good,=
the bad, or the ugly.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-s=
erif"">Thanks, Bill</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"bor=
der:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt;margin-left=
:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",&q=
uot;sans-serif"">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:#E4E4E4"><b><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",&qu=
ot;sans-serif""> <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; title=3D"fot@aut=
ox.team.net">Yellow04 via Fot</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
,"sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <a href=3D"mailto:fot@auto=
x.team.net" title=3D"fot@autox.team.net">Amici Triumphi</a> <o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"=
;"> Sunday, May 24, 2015 8:52 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
,"sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Re: [Fot] TR6 Transmi=
ssion<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:=
p></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri","san=
s-serif";color:#1F497D">I will always look for a good, used OEM part be=
fore putting in the reproduction garbage on the market today. Don't get me s=
tarted on TR6 trunnions!<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3D"signature-x"><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri","sans-s=
erif";color:#1F497D">Sent from <a href=3D"http://www.9folders.com/";><sp=
an style=3D"color:#009BDF;text-decoration:none">Nine</span></a><o:p></o:p></=
span></p></div></div><div id=3D"quoted_header"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padd=
ing:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b=
><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-=
serif""> Terry Stetler via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net=
">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> May 23, 2015 9:22 PM<br><b>To:<=
/b> fubog1;<a href=3D"mailto:charly@mitchelplumbing.com";>charly@mitchelplumb=
ing.com</a>;<a href=3D"mailto:william.tobin31@verizon.net";>william.tobin31@v=
erizon.net</a>;<a href=3D"mailto:awashatko@wi.rr.com";>awashatko@wi.rr.com</a=
>;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject=
:</b> Re: [Fot] TR6 Transmission</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I'll agree=
with you all the way on this Glen.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">That said we a=
re approaching a point, sadly, where certain new replacement parts are&=
nbsp;of such dubious quality, that I am wondering how we can move forwa=
rd. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">TR3 steering box parts come to mind.<o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Terry Stetler.<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote sty=
le=3D"border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt;ma=
rgin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ari=
al","sans-serif"">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif&qu=
ot;"> <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; title=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.n=
et">fubog1 via Fot</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sa=
ns-serif"">To:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Arial","sans-serif""> <a href=3D"mailto:charly@mitchelplu=
mbing.com" title=3D"mailto:charly@mitchelplumbing.com";>charly@mitchelplumbin=
g.com</a> ; <a href=3D"mailto:william.tobin31@verizon.net"; title=3D"mailto:w=
illiam.tobin31@verizon.net">william.tobin31@verizon.net</a> ; <a href=3D"mai=
lto:awashatko@wi.rr.com" title=3D"mailto:awashatko@wi.rr.com";>awashatko@wi.r=
r.com</a> ; <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; title=3D"mailto:fot@autox.=
team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
,"sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Wednesday, May 20, 2015 1=
:58 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">S=
ubject:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial&qu=
ot;,"sans-serif""> Re: [Fot] TR6 Transmission<o:p></o:p></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","=
;sans-serif";color:black">My point is in regard to Vintage, not to SCCA=
or any other Club Rules, I should make that clear, and also that I see hub/=
axle mods purely for safety reasons, and fully support the use of those upgr=
ades.<br>I just think that in Vintage we should stick with stock-based Trium=
ph components re mechanicals, that's part of the challenge, but I will conce=
de that availability of decent used cores, and lack of available new parts, i=
s becoming an issue in some cases.<br>Glen Efinger<o:p></o:p></span></p><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p></div></blockquote></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" sty=
le=3D"text-align:center"><hr size=3D"3" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center"></di=
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