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Well put, Scott!
John
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 31, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:
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> WARNING: What follows on the present thread is the annual =E2=80=9CGearbo=
xes=E2=80=9D discussion. Allow me to paraphrase and summarize:
>=20
> [Please, please, please read this in the fondly amused spirit in which it w=
as offered. I can=E2=80=99t put in enough winky-faces to assure you all tha=
t this is not intended to be snotty or divisive=E2=80=A6]
> =20
> [poster #1] Hey, my stock gearboxes stink and they blow up all the time. =
What do you guys know about installing a [Datsun/Toyota/Hewland/Allison] tr=
ansmission in place of the cranky old stock stuff?
> =20
> [poster #2] Well, we know they work better, but might be in violation of t=
he rules of your sanctioning body, and are not really in the vintage spirit.=
> =20
> [poster #1] Yeah, but my gearbox is always broken, and sitting on the tra=
iler is not really in the vintage spirit either. =20
>=20
> [poster #2] Well maybe you shouldn=E2=80=99t have installed that [high-co=
mpression head/weber carbs/supercharger/turbo/nitrous] and giant brakes on y=
our obvious cheater-mobile.
> =20
> [Joe Alexander] Hey guys, why can=E2=80=99t we all just get along. We=E2=
=80=99re all having fun in our own ways and who the heck cares if someone el=
se enjoys making their car faster than it was when it was new. Isn=E2=80=99=
t that arguably as legitimate a pursuit as the piloting of an era-correct ca=
r as fast as it can go in its era-correct state?
> =20
> [poster #1 and poster #2] Yeah, I suppose that=E2=80=99s right. There=E2=
=80=99s room for everyone in this sport, from the person who likes to run th=
eir era-correct car and replace the trans every weekend, to the person who j=
ust likes to see how fast they can make these old crocks go, using everythin=
g that=E2=80=99s been made and learned over the last 60 years. [hugs all ar=
ound]
> =20
> =20
> Scott B. (unless you think I=E2=80=99m being snotty and divisive, in which=
case, my name is Philbin Potsticker, and I drive an MG TC. In Ecuador.)
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen vi=
a Fot
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:58 AM
> To: Jason Ostrowski
> Cc: FOT
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Synchros
> =20
> I agree with Jason - spending the $1,000 +/- for an expert rebuild has res=
ulted in the same survival rate (not long) as the $50-$100 used ones.
> The real cost is in the lost race weekends when the thing blows up on a ve=
ry regular basis.
> I run a TR6 box.
> Marty, if you are using this for a Spitfire upgrade you are probably more t=
han fine, but for a GT6 with a developed engine, my advice is give up and mo=
ve on, or be prepared to make a paddock swap every other weekend.
> =20
> On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Jason Ostrowski via Fot wrote:
> =20
> If you must for some reason use a GT6 gearbox:
> If it looks good and everything seems in order I would use it without doub=
t.
> For whatever reason, by comparison I have gotten the most miles out of goo=
d old "barn find" unworked gt6 transmissions.
> I've had many of them built by "the best".
> Although It seems contrary to our greater "never be beaten by equipment" p=
hilosophy...
> The unworked original crappy ones have gone longer (for me) than the "prof=
essionally serviced" new gear (usuallyTR7) and sychro ones.
> In my own program, since I have to take them out after every race (Third g=
ear is usually all but toasted), I stopped spending the $ money on the gearb=
ox rebuilds and focused more on finding and using several good older ones.
> I can use the gearbox for the same amount of time for much less $.
> Since I am struggling to survive in this sport of wealthy kings...
> Its nice to SOMETIMES find the cheap way works.
> =20
> Note: Friendly Ghost Racing is not responsible for recommending these risk=
y and absurd transmission choices of using a "barn find" unit. We only do th=
ese things because the trans will break soon anyway.
> =20
> Cheers!
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing =20
> =20
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, marty via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:=
> I have a GT6 transmission of unknown history. Visually it looks in really g=
ood shape internally. Am considering doing a refresh with new bearings and s=
ynchros. I did some reading on the archives and while most of the post are f=
rom a while ago I get the impression that the synchros made now (or then any=
how) were of poor quality and that the original were much better and if you d=
idn't need to change them it was best to leave the old one in place. Though=
ts?=20
> =20
> Thanks,
> =20
> Marty
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Well put, Scott!</div><div>John<br><br=
>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Mar 31, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Barr, Scott vi=
a Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> w=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">WARNING: What follows on the pres=
ent thread is the annual =E2=80=9CGearboxes=E2=80=9D discussion. Allow=
me to paraphrase and summarize:<br>
<br>
[Please, please, please read this in the fondly amused spirit in which it wa=
s offered. I can=E2=80=99t put in enough winky-faces to assure you all=
that this is not intended to be snotty or divisive=E2=80=A6]<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">[poster #1] Hey, my stock gearbox=
es stink and they blow up all the time. What do you guys know about in=
stalling a [Datsun/Toyota/Hewland/Allison] transmission
in place of the cranky old stock stuff?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">[poster #2] Well, we know they wo=
rk better, but might be in violation of the rules of your sanctioning body, a=
nd are not really in the vintage spirit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">[poster #1] Yeah, but my gearbox i=
s always broken, and sitting on the trailer is not really in the vintage spi=
rit either.
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">[poster #2] Well maybe you should=
n=E2=80=99t have installed that [high-compression head/weber carbs/superchar=
ger/turbo/nitrous] and giant brakes on your obvious cheater-mobile.<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">[Joe Alexander] Hey guys, why can=
=E2=80=99t we all just get along. We=E2=80=99re all having fun in our o=
wn ways and who the heck cares if someone else enjoys making their car
faster than it was when it was new. Isn=E2=80=99t that arguably as le=
gitimate a pursuit as the piloting of an era-correct car as fast as it can g=
o in its era-correct state?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">[poster #1 and poster #2] Yeah, I=
suppose that=E2=80=99s right. There=E2=80=99s room for everyone in th=
is sport, from the person who likes to run their era-correct car and
replace the trans every weekend, to the person who just likes to see how fa=
st they can make these old crocks go, using everything that=E2=80=99s been m=
ade and learned over the last 60 years. [hugs all around]<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Scott B. (unless you think I=E2=80=99m b=
eing snotty and divisive, in which case, my name is Philbin Potsticker, and I=
drive an MG TC. In Ecuador.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Fot [<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounce=
s@autox.team.net">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Janzen via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jason Ostrowski<br>
<b>Cc:</b> FOT<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Synchros<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I agree with Jason - spending the $1,000 +/- for an e=
xpert rebuild has resulted in the same survival rate (not long) as the $50-$=
100 used ones.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The real cost is in the lost race weekends when the t=
hing blows up on a very regular basis.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I run a TR6 box.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Marty, if you are using this for a Spitfire upgrade y=
ou are probably more than fine, but for a GT6 with a developed engine, my ad=
vice is give up and move on, or be prepared to make a paddock swap every oth=
er weekend.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Jason Ostrowski via Fot=
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you must for some reason use a GT6 gearbox:<o:p></=
o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If it looks good and everything seems in order I woul=
d use it without doubt.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">For whatever reason, by comparison I have gotten the m=
ost miles out of good old "barn find" unworked gt6 transmissions.<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I've had many of them built by "the best".<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Although It seems contrary to our greater "never be b=
eaten by equipment" philosophy...<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The unworked original crappy ones have gone longer (f=
or me) than the "professionally serviced" new gear (usuallyTR7) and syc=
hro ones.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In my own program, since I have to take them out afte=
r every race (Third gear is usually all but toasted), I stopped spending the=
$ money on the gearbox rebuilds and focused more on finding and using sever=
al good older ones.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I can use the gearbox for the same amount of time for=
much less $.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Since I am struggling to survive in this sport of wea=
lthy kings...<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Its nice to SOMETIMES find the cheap way works.<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Note: Friendly Ghost Racing is not responsible for re=
commending these risky and absurd transmission choices of using a "barn find=
" unit. We only do these things because the trans will break soon anywa=
y.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers!<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jason Ostrowski<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Friendly Ghost Racing <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, marty via Fot <<a=
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>=
> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have a GT6 transmission of unknown history. Visuall=
y it looks in really good shape internally. Am considering doing a refr=
esh with new bearings and synchros. I did some reading on the archives and w=
hile most of the post are from a while
ago I get the impression that the synchros made now (or then anyhow) were o=
f poor quality and that the original were much better and if you didn't need=
to change them it was best to leave the old one in place. Though=
ts? <br>
<br>
Thanks,<span style=3D"color:#888888"><br>
<span class=3D"hoenzb"> </span><br>
<span class=3D"hoenzb">Marty</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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