Maybe a TR3/4 is more gifted than other cars but you can make a very fast
car with using the enhanced stock stuff sold by retailers.
140 HP at the wheels is no problem and the stock brakes are outperforming
many others.
Cheers
Chris
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Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Bill Babcock
Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Oktober 2012 17:58
An: Bobby Whitehead
Cc: FoT Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph
I've stayed out of this discussion, in part because I don't have a dog in
this fight (I use a dog box inside a TR6 case) and partly because I'm a
consistent proponent of vintage racing organizations understanding that the
days of people running "real" vintage cars are over or dying fast, and if we
don't want to see ever-shrinking grids it's time for a new idea.
When I started racing vintage there were all kinds of exotic cars, many in
the hands of ordinary mortals. People with dogs, kids and a job owned some
very celebrated cars that they had bought for next to nothing. Vintage
racing turned those cars into multi-million dollar icons and they all passed
into the hands of collectors, who only race them at the most prestigious
events. When is the last time you saw a Ferrari TR or even a Maserati 300 at
a club level event?
Making racing ridiculously expensive in order to preserve the authenticity
of cars that never raced before seems more than a bit counterproductive. I'm
in favor of a well thought out list of permitted modifications that allow
cars to have greater performance AND greater reliability which should equal
less expense. I don't really get why brake system modifications that were
leading edge 30 years ago are prohibited. I'd kind of like it if when I
stepped on my brakes they did something.
I don't know that I'd bother with a five speed, Peyote works fine as it is,
but it seems obvious that more modern transmissions should be allowed. You
can buy them at junkyards. They last a long time.
On Oct 12, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster@att.net> wrote:
> I think if you want to race these cars you have to love these cars.
> And,
when
> you mix emotion with the costs, you really have to love the
> opportunity to
be at
> speed in these cars.
> The elixir that runs through your soul when the stars aline and you've
really
> hit a peak in matching the driving experience and the connection
> between you
and
> your car is toxic.
> Modified in the spirit of vintage racing should be the thought.
> Safety should be the #1 modification the cars have leeway with as far
> as sanctioning rules.
> Reliability modifications should be the #2 modification, modern
> gearboxes
for
> example.
> Performance should be the last modification that pushes the thought of
variance
> to vintage spirit.
>
> I think all of us want to have fun with the cars and as I begin my
> third
rebuild
> in 3 years I think I have a grasp of what it takes to try to run
vintage...
> Personally I had my build booklet upfront when I joined CVAR here in
Texas.
The
> car I purchased was built with a Toyota T50 gearbox and that was the
> way I presented it. CVAR 'allowed' me to run 2-3 events with the idea
> I would put
a
> Triumph gearbox in the car. I had what I think most of us agree,
> Quantum Mechanics build me a gearbox which lasted about 2 weekends...
> I was
warrantied
> with Quantum which I thought was awesome another gearbox with a
> modified J
type
> overdrive which also lasted about 4 events... warrantied again by
> Quantum
with
> exchange I had a TR6 gearbox built with close ratio gear set from
England...
in
> the mean time I put the T50 back in the car and along with about $4000
> in receipts went back to CVAR and said,,, you know,,, I tried to run
> like you wanted me to but if you want to to run consistently as a
> customer, I'm going
to
> run the T50.... no problem.
> I know the MG guys are having a tough time with 50 year old gearboxes
> and
their
> sources gone... SOMETHING is going to have to change if these cars are
> going
to
> continue to run.
> Personally, I don't see anything wrong with slotted brakes, four
> caliper pistons, roll cages, Hans devices, and other safety or
> reliability
efforts...
> the racing organizations are businesses at the end of the day... those
> who
are
> not flexible in business willing to modify will not survive in any
> business format... IMHO....
>
> Bobby Whitehead
>
> on the hunt... again.....
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