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Real vintage Studebaker. While doing geologic mapping in the White-Inyo Mo=
untains in California=2C we used an abandoned mining cabin=2C circa 1900=2C=
as a base camp. So remote that it was unmolested by thieves and still had=
a relic Studebaker Wheelbarrow along with other items that were left there=
. I understand that Mr. Studebaker got his start making wheelbarrows.
=20
We left it as we found it but would be surprised if is still in the same co=
ndition today.=20
=20
Dan Forgey
From: westerneagleracing@att.netTo: budscars@comcast.netDate: Thu=2C 2 Oct =
2008 19:12:42 +0000CC: fot@autox.team.netSubject: Re: [Fot] Studebaker stor=
ies
Bud=2C
In 1953 and 54 they were either Comanders (V-8) or Champions (6 cly) in 55 =
they added the President and beginning in1956 they were mildly restyled and=
given various Hawk names.
It's funny but a lot of TR owners are Studebaker lovers as well.
Ron Western Eagle Racing Jacobs
-------------- Original message from "RACER BUD" <budscars@comcast.net>: --=
------------=20
Thanks Bob..for the Terrific history...I am forwarding it to my Newsletter =
Group
Racer Bud
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Robert Johns=20
To: RACER BUD =3B Steven Preiss =3B edwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
Cc: fot@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday=2C October 01=2C 2008 7:45 PM
Subject: Studebaker stories
All right guys=2C you have done it. I am going to have to tell you my tale=
of woe. Visualize this! I was attending the Swiss Auto Club Racing Drive=
rs School in Monza=2C Italy in 1956. After we attended classes=2C they gro=
uped us in classes (more like bunches) to do some racing.=20
=20
After Studebaker had merged with Packard=2C they built a variation of the H=
awk with the huge Packard engine of the day. What did I know of such thing=
s? I was stuck in Europe at the time. Guess what they stuck in the class=
with me=2C one of these monsters. =20
=20
Off we went=2C racing our little hearts out. Me in my little TR2=2C the St=
ude (model?) Hawk=2C and several more interesting pieces of iron. That Stu=
de would blow my doors off going down the straight and I would pass him on =
the next set of curves. Back and forth we went=2C and I think I finally go=
t far enough ahead of him that he didn't catch me again.=20
=20
Speaking of interesting iron. That race was my first and only experience o=
f running against a genuine Austin Healy S (not M=2C but S). They were no=
t many built=2C and the Importer for Switzerland had this one=2C and it ran=
very well=2C with its cross flow head and lots of tricks.
=20
Any ways=2C that is my Studebaker story. =20
=20
Bob Johns
=20
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: RACER BUD=20
To: Steven Preiss =3B edwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
Cc: fot@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday=2C October 01=2C 2008 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
One of my favorite cars for Style was the (I think 53 stude..Golden Hawk?..=
no fins...when the fins were added..they were literaly 'attached')..i saw a=
NASCAR Hawk in a movie theater lobby promoting a movie which I cannot reme=
mber(mid -late 1950s)...That was one of the cars that added to the racing b=
ug
Racer Bud
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Steven Preiss=20
To: edwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
Cc: fot@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday=2C October 01=2C 2008 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
One of my neighborhood friends growing up was a Studebaker nut=2C a passion=
(or perhaps a genetic trait) no doubt inherited from his dad. They would w=
ork into the night in the carport on one or another of their cars=2C dropli=
ghts providing a weary glow. The cars=2C which as I recall ranged from a 19=
50 convertible=2C painted red with a white top=2C to a sleek Silver Hawk wi=
th a 289 and glass packs=2C always seemed exotic in an atypical American so=
rt of way. A buddy of theirs had what they referred to as 'the Studebaker f=
arm'=2C which was actually a small dairy farm=2C the main pasture of which =
was lined with over 100 Studebakers that had been hauled in from all over t=
he countryside and carefully placed side by side around the perimeter=2C pr=
oviding an endless supply of parts and projects. Martin was a somewhat laco=
nic fellow who carpeted his cars with an array of carpet "chucks" gleaned f=
rom a local flooring company. He also was the first in our group of carpool=
ers to drive his own car to school. Some wild rides down narrow curving res=
idential streets are emblazoned in my memory. One striking characteristic o=
f the cars was the overdrives=2C activated by a little toggle switch always=
placed inconspicuously under the dash. Another was their propensity for bu=
rning oil=2C which meant that the dipstick became a familiar friend. Which =
leads me to the point. Whether a result of unintentional poor' design or in=
tentional daily abuse=2C cans of STP were always kept in the trunks of the =
cars=2C along with quarts of inexpensive motor oil=2C giving true meaning t=
o the term=2C "Studebaker Tested Products"!
STeve P. ----- Original Message -----=20
From: EDWARD BARNARD=20
To: ehusmann53@yahoo.com =3B dkettler@tcbi.com=20
Cc: FOT=20
Sent: Thursday=2C October 02=2C 2008 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
Lister's: Thank you to all that answered my question about STP. A call to t=
heir H.Q. public relations office this morning has revealed what we should =
assume is the truth. The STP does stand for Scientifically Treated Petroleu=
m. The Wiki reference to it standing for Studebaker Tested Products is in f=
act true. The company did tie their name to the product for a short time un=
til Andy G. took over. But=2C the Wiki reference to King Richard no longer =
being a spokeperson for the company is false. According to the P.R. departm=
ent=2C they have the longest commercial endorse in history.=20
Thanks again to the list!
-Ed---- On Tue=2C 9/30/08=2C David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com> wrote:
From: David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com>Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group que=
stionTo: ehusmann53@yahoo.comCc: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>=2C edwardbarnar=
d@prodigy.netDate: Tuesday=2C September 30=2C 2008=2C 9:52 PMI recall when =
I was a kid collecting STP stickers at gas stations.
I always understood it to be Scientifically Tested Products.
Dave Kettler
At Tuesday=2C 30 September 2008=2C Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53@yahoo.com>=20
wrote:
>Ed:
>=20
>From STP's web page: STP =3D Scientifically Treated Petroleum--- On=20
Tue=2C 9/30/08=2C EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net> wrote:
>From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net>Subject: [Fot] Non-
LBC group questionTo: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>Date: Tuesday=2C
September=20
30=2C 2008=2C 11:06 AM
>
>Lister's: I'm writing a magazine article about Indy roadsters
(Kurtis'=2C
Novi'=2C etc) and am examining the Studebaker/Packard powered cars.
In 1963 Studebaker purchased from three gentlemen a little known=20
company named Chemical Compounds=2C which had an oil additive product=20
they were selling from the trunks of their cars. Studebaker gave=20
Andy Granatelli=2C then head engineer and chief test driver for Studebaker=
=20
the position of CEO of the newly acquired company which he then renamed=20
STP. Now my question...does anyone know for certain the meaning of=20
STP? I am getting mixed answers from The Racing History Group. Most=20
say it stands for Specially Treated Petroleum=2C while a few are saying=20
it stands for Studebaker Test Products. Do any of the FOTers know=20
the "true" side of the story?=20
>BTW=2C later I will relate this past Saturday spent with three great=20
guys=2C Johnny Rutherford=2C Lloyd Ruby=2C and Jim McElreath=2C at a car=20
show we had.=20
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Real vintage Studebaker. =3B While doing geologic mapping in the White-=
Inyo =3BMountains in California=2C we used an abandoned mining cabin=2C=
circa 1900=2C as a base camp. =3B So remote that it was unmolested by =
thieves =3Band still had =3Ba relic Studebaker Wheelbarrow along wi=
th other items that were left there. =3B I understand that Mr. Studebak=
er got his start making wheelbarrows.<BR>
 =3B<BR>
We left it as we found it but would be surprised if is still in the same co=
ndition today. =3B<BR>
 =3B<BR>
Dan Forgey<BR><BR><BR>
<HR>
<BR>
From: westerneagleracing@att.net<BR>To: budscars@comcast.net<BR>Date: Thu=
=2C 2 Oct 2008 19:12:42 +0000<BR>CC: fot@autox.team.net<BR>Subject: Re: [Fo=
t] Studebaker stories<BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Bud=2C</DIV>
<DIV>In 1953 and 54 they were either Comanders (V-8) or Champions (6 cly) i=
n 55 they added the President and beginning in1956 they were mildly restyle=
d and given various Hawk names.</DIV>
<DIV>It's funny but a lot of TR owners are Studebaker =3B lovers as wel=
l.</DIV>
<DIV>Ron Western Eagle Racing Jacobs</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px=3B MARGIN-LEFT: 5px=3B BORDER-LEFT: =
#1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message from "RACER BUD" <=3Bb=
udscars@comcast.net>=3B: -------------- <BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks Bob..for the Terrific history...I a=
m forwarding it to my Newsletter Group</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Racer Bud</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px=3B PADDING-LEFT: 5px=3B M=
ARGIN-LEFT: 5px=3B BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid=3B MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4=3B FONT: 10pt arial=3B font-color: black"=
><B>From:</B> <A title=3Drjohns@woh.rr.com href=3D"mailto:rjohns@woh.rr.com=
">Robert Johns</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dbudscars@comcast.net =
href=3D"mailto:budscars@comcast.net";>RACER BUD</A> =3B <A title=3Dspreiss@v=
erizon.net href=3D"mailto:spreiss@verizon.net";>Steven Preiss</A> =3B <A tit=
le=3Dedwardbarnard@prodigy.net href=3D"mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net";>ed=
wardbarnard@prodigy.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dfot@autox.team.net hr=
ef=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday=2C October 01=2C 200=
8 7:45 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Studebaker stories</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All right guys=2C you have done it. =
=3B I am going to have to tell you my tale of woe. =3B Visualize this!&=
nbsp=3B I was attending the Swiss Auto Club Racing Drivers School in Monza=
=2C Italy in 1956. =3B After we attended classes=2C they grouped us in =
classes (more like bunches) to do some racing. =3B</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> =3B</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After Studebaker had merged with Packard=
=2C they built a variation of the Hawk with the =3Bhuge Packard engine =
of the day. =3B What did I know of such things? =3B  =3BI was s=
tuck in Europe at the time. =3B Guess what they stuck in the class with=
me=2C one of these monsters. =3B =3B</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> =3B</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Off we went=2C racing =3Bour little he=
arts out. =3B =3BMe in my little TR2=2C the Stude (model?) Hawk=2C =
and several more interesting pieces of iron. =3B That =3BStude woul=
d blow my doors off going down the straight and I would pass him on the nex=
t set of curves. =3B Back and forth we went=2C and I think I finally go=
t far enough ahead of =3Bhim that he didn't catch me again. =3B</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =3B =3B </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Speaking of interesting iron. =3B That=
race was my =3Bfirst and only experience of running against a genuine =
Austin Healy S (not M=2C =3B but S). =3B They were not many built=
=2C and the Importer for Switzerland had this one=2C and it ran very well=
=2C =3B with its cross flow head and lots of tricks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> =3B</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any ways=2C  =3Bthat is my Studebaker =
story.  =3B</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> =3B</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bob Johns</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> =3B</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> =3B</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px=3B PADDING-LEFT: 5px=3B MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px=3B BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid=3B MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4=3B FONT: 10pt arial=3B font-color: black"=
><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dbudscars@comcast.net href=3D"mailto:budscars@comca=
st.net">RACER BUD</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dspreiss@verizon.net h=
ref=3D"mailto:spreiss@verizon.net";>Steven Preiss</A> =3B <A title=3Dedwardb=
arnard@prodigy.net href=3D"mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net";>edwardbarnard@=
prodigy.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dfot@autox.team.net hr=
ef=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday=2C October 01=2C 200=
8 9:12 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group que=
stion</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One of my favorite cars for Style was the =
(I think 53 stude..Golden Hawk?..no fins...when the fins were added..they w=
ere literaly 'attached')..i saw a NASCAR Hawk in a movie theater lobby prom=
oting a movie which I cannot remember(mid -late 1950s)...That was one of th=
e cars that added to the racing bug</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Racer Bud</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px=3B PADDING-LEFT: 5px=3B MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px=3B BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid=3B MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4=3B FONT: 10pt arial=3B font-color: black"=
><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dspreiss@verizon.net href=3D"mailto:spreiss@verizon=
.net">Steven Preiss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dedwardbarnard@prodigy=
.net href=3D"mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net";>edwardbarnard@prodigy.net</A=
> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dfot@autox.team.net hr=
ef=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday=2C October 01=2C 200=
8 2:04 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group que=
stion</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One of my neighborhood friends growing up =
was a Studebaker nut=2C a passion (or perhaps a genetic trait) no doubt inh=
erited from his dad. They would work into the night in the carport on one o=
r another of their cars=2C droplights providing a weary glow. The cars=2C&n=
bsp=3Bwhich as I recall ranged from a 1950 convertible=2C painted red with =
a white top=2C to a sleek Silver Hawk with a 289 and glass packs=2C always =
seemed exotic in an atypical American sort of way. =3BA =3Bbuddy of=
theirs had what they referred to as 'the =3BStudebaker farm'=2C which =
was actually a small dairy farm<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>=2C =
the main pasture of which was lined with over 100 Studebakers that had been=
hauled in from all over the countryside and carefully placed side by side =
around the perimeter=2C providing =3Ban endless supply of parts and pro=
jects. Martin was a somewhat laconic fellow who carpeted his cars with an a=
rray of carpet "chucks" gleaned from a local flooring company. He also was =
the first in our group of carpoolers to drive his own car to school. Some w=
ild rides down narrow curving residential streets are emblazoned in my memo=
ry. One striking characteristic of the cars was the overdrives=2C activated=
by a little toggle switch always =3Bplaced inconspicuously under the d=
ash. Another was their propensity for burning oil=2C which meant that the d=
ipstick became a familiar friend. Which leads me to the point. Whether =
=3Ba result =3Bof unintentional poor' design or intentional daily abuse=
=2C cans of STP were always kept in the trunks of the cars=2C =3Balong =
with quarts of inexpensive motor oil=2C giving true meaning to the term=2C =
"Studebaker Tested Products"!</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>STeve P. =3B----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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: 5px=3B BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid=3B MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4=3B FONT: 10pt arial=3B font-color: black"=
><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dedwardbarnard@prodigy.net href=3D"mailto:edwardbar=
nard@prodigy.net">EDWARD BARNARD</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dehusmann53@yahoo.com =
href=3D"mailto:ehusmann53@yahoo.com";>ehusmann53@yahoo.com</A> =3B <A title=
=3Ddkettler@tcbi.com href=3D"mailto:dkettler@tcbi.com";>dkettler@tcbi.com</A=
> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dfot@autox.team.net hr=
ef=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>FOT</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday=2C October 02=2C 2008=
3:44 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group que=
stion</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Lister's: Thank you to all that answered my question about STP. A call=
to their H.Q. public relations office this morning has revealed what we sh=
ould assume is the truth. The STP does stand for Scientifically Treated Pet=
roleum. The Wiki reference to it standing for Studebaker Tested Products is=
in fact true. The company did tie their name to the product for a short ti=
me until Andy G. took over. But=2C the Wiki reference to King Richard no lo=
nger being a spokeperson for the company is false. According to the P.R. de=
partment=2C they have the longest commercial endorse in history. </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks again to the list!</DIV>
<DIV> =3B-Ed-<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue=2C 9/30/08=2C David <SPAN>Kettler</S=
PAN> <I><=3Bdkettler@tcbi.com>=3B</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px=3B MARGIN-LEFT: 5px=3B BORDER-LEFT: =
rgb(16=2C16=2C255) 2px solid">From: David Kettler <=3Bdkettler@tcbi.com&g=
t=3B<BR>Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question<BR>To: ehusmann53@yahoo.c=
om<BR>Cc: "FOT" <=3Bfot@autox.team.net>=3B=2C edwardbarnard@prodigy.net=
<BR>Date: Tuesday=2C September 30=2C 2008=2C 9:52 PM<BR><BR><PRE>I recall w=
hen I was a kid collecting STP stickers at gas stations.
I always understood it to be Scientifically Tested Products.
Dave Kettler
At Tuesday=2C 30 September 2008=2C Ernest Husmann <=3Behusmann53@yahoo.co=
m>=3B=20
wrote:
>=3BEd:
>=3B =3B
>=3BFrom STP's web page: STP =3D Scientifically Treated Petroleum--- On=20
Tue=2C 9/30/08=2C EDWARD BARNARD <=3Bedwardbarnard@prodigy.net>=3B wrot=
e:
>=3BFrom: EDWARD BARNARD <=3Bedwardbarnard@prodigy.net>=3BSubject: [F=
ot] Non-
LBC group questionTo: "FOT" <=3Bfot@autox.team.net>=3BDate: Tuesday=2C
September=20
30=2C 2008=2C 11:06 AM
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>=3BLister's: I'm writing a magazine article about Indy roadsters
(Kurtis'=2C
Novi'=2C etc) and am examining the Studebaker/Packard powered cars.
In 1963 Studebaker purchased from three gentlemen a little known=20
company named Chemical Compounds=2C which had an oil additive product=20
they were selling from the trunks of their cars. Studebaker gave=20
Andy Granatelli=2C then head engineer and chief test =3Bdriver for Stud=
ebaker=20
the position of CEO of the newly acquired company which he then =3Brena=
med=20
STP. Now my question...does anyone know for certain the meaning of=20
STP? I am getting mixed answers from =3BThe Racing History Group. Most=
=20
say it stands for Specially Treated Petroleum=2C while a few are saying=20
it stands for Studebaker Test Products. Do any of the FOTers know=20
the "true" side of the story?=20
>=3BBTW=2C later I will relate =3Bthis past Saturday spent with three=
great=20
guys=2C Johnny Rutherford=2C Lloyd Ruby=2C =3B and Jim McElreath=2C at =
a car=20
show we had.=20
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