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I was born in 1956. My interest in Triumphs starts with the TR6 model I saw=
as a teen and led to my exposure to the earlier cars, eventually racing a =
TR3, 4 and 4A. The local clubs are the not so secret solution to our future=
. We need to support the TR7/TR8 late Spitfire contingents in our local clu=
bs and we can still grow the marque. This is one of the problems we have wi=
th vintage racing. By cutting off in 1967 or even 1972 we cut off the young=
er generation, you know the 40 year olds.
________________________________
From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Beh=
alf Of John Macartney
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:40 PM
To: N197TR4@cs.com
Cc: fot@autox.team.net; bdischer@blakedischer.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR & FoT
Andy Mace wrote:
This does raise an interesting possibility, were FoT members so inclined: p=
erhaps we could become some sort of "Special Chapter" or "Affiliate" of VTR=
?
I take a very 'broad church view' on issues like this, essentially summaris=
ed as follows:
1. It doesn't really matter how you use your Triumph (or Standard) and beca=
use of that, there should be room in your local or national club to accommo=
date your usage preference.
2. The vehicle parc is getting smaller each year and current owners are get=
ting older. This largely explains the diminution of club memberships
3. A surprisingly large number of cars will outlive their enthusiast custod=
ians and will need to have 'a home'
4. Clubs (national or local) need to recognise this - and its my perception=
in the UK that clubs don't adequately do this
5. There will come a time when the vehicle parc and custodian base is so sm=
all that clubs as they currently stand will probably not be viable as heret=
ofore. This begs the question
6. What plans are national clubs making to address that inevitable eventual=
ity?
7. No-one can confidently expect to substantially 'grow club membership.' T=
he vast majority of cars that will survive are already known. Barn-Finds wi=
ll become ever more infrequent
With regard to point 6, my perception of the evidence as it relates to the =
UK (and probably elsewhere too?) is "nothing at all." Additionally, for as =
long as clubs and others continue to provide 'free' technical information o=
n "How to .....?" projects via the internet, clubs will continue to diminis=
h in size.
Rant off
Jonmac
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I was born in 1956. My interest in
Triumphs starts with the TR6 model I saw as a teen and led to my exposure t=
o
the earlier cars, eventually racing a TR3, 4 and 4A. The local clubs are th=
e not
so secret solution to our future. We need to support the TR7/TR8 late Spitf=
ire
contingents in our local clubs and we can still grow the marque. This is on=
e of
the problems we have with vintage racing. By cutting off in 1967 or even 19=
72
we cut off the younger generation, you know the 40 year olds. <o:p></o:p></=
span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Macartney<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 2=
4,
2008 2:40 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> N197TR4@cs.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> fot@autox.team.net;
bdischer@blakedischer.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] VTR &=
FoT</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Andy Mace wrote:</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial id=3D"role_d=
ocument"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>This does raise an
interesting possibility, were FoT members so inclined: perhaps we could bec=
ome
some sort of "Special Chapter" or "Affiliate" of VTR? <=
/span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I take a very 'broad church view' on
issues like this, essentially summarised as follows:</span></font><font siz=
e=3D2
color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>1. It doesn't really matter how you u=
se
your Triumph (or Standard) and because of that, there should be room in you=
r
local or national club to accommodate your usage preference.</span></font><=
font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>2. The vehicle parc is getting smalle=
r each
year and current owners are getting older. This largely explains the diminu=
tion
of club memberships</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial>=
<span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>3. A surprisingly large number of car=
s
will outlive their enthusiast custodians and will need to have 'a home'</sp=
an></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>4. Clubs (national or local) need to
recognise this - and its my perception in the <st1:country-region w:st=3D"o=
n"><st1:place
w:st=3D"on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> that clubs don't adequatel=
y do
this</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'=
font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>5. There will come a time when the
vehicle parc and custodian base is so small that clubs as they currently st=
and
will probably not be viable as heretofore. This begs the question</span></f=
ont><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>6. What plans are national clubs maki=
ng
to address that inevitable eventuality?</span></font><font size=3D2 color=
=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'=
><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>7. No-one can confidently expect to
substantially 'grow club membership.' The vast majority of cars that will
survive are already known. Barn-Finds will become ever more infrequent</spa=
n></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>With regard to point 6, my perception=
of
the evidence as it relates to the <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:plac=
e
w:st=3D"on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> (and probably elsewhere to=
o?) is
"nothing at all." Additionally, for as long as clubs and oth=
ers
continue to provide 'free' technical information on "How to .....?&quo=
t;
projects via the internet, clubs will continue to diminish in size.</span><=
/font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Rant off</span></font><font size=3D2
color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Jonmac</span></font><font size=3D2
color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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