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I am, in fact, quite stupidly willing to take that on if everyone
agrees that Portland is the right venue. Stupidly, because having
already helped to organize the CRC event I know how much work this can
be. Since we are in fact an organization without any rules, I'm
puzzled about how this gets decided. I guess we should just ask Joe
and Kas. What say you guys? And does anyone have an objection?
I think a full-sized cutout of Uncle Jack in his leisure suit is a
requirement for the event, and should travel to whatever other venues
we subsequently pick for the Kastner Kup.
On Sep 10, 2008, at 6:23 PM, David Talbott wrote:
> I suppose we shouldn't presume Kas's comments to be an official
> pronouncement on his part, but it does sound like Portland might
> have some potential in a bid to be the host city for the 2009
> Kastner Cup. Since Bill Babcock has an obvious connection with the
> local Convention & Visitors Bureau, not to mention that he's
> essentially retired, I think nominating him for the position of
> Event Chair would make perfect sense to get the ball rolling. This
> is a crucial role, especially if one is to believe that Joe
> Alexander will be declining such opportunities for a while - or so I
> thought I heard Jan to suggest last Sunday at the Glen.
>
> Of course, I'd be delighted to assist Bill in any way I can; however
> I may need all the time I can muster just to make sure I have a car
> finished for the event. Given that the track is all of a 7 minute
> tow from my shop, I'm thinking I wouldn't have too many excuses for
> not being there.
>
> And unlike the Glen, the prospects for hurricane-induced weather
> events are pretty slim in September for this area, in fact it would
> be tough to pick a better time of the year to be in the NW. Now
> that I think about it, the picture of Uncle Jack in his polyester
> leisure suit that someone posted a few weeks back was taken at a
> balmy Saturday night party at the September CRC event a couple of
> years ago.
>
> So what say, do I hear a second for my nomination of Billy B. to
> lead the charge for PDX 2009?
>
> DT
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas@cox.net>
> To: <Chasgee@aol.com>; "Bill Babcock" <Billb@bnj.com>
> Cc: <fot@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Our weekend at the Glen
>
>
>> Portland is a great city, great track an a neat place to have a
>> good time.
>> ---- Bill Babcock <Billb@bnj.com> wrote:
>>
>> =============
>> As Jeff pointed out, it's Labor Day, not Memorial day. I get those
>> two
>> confused all the time.
>>
>> Portland International Raceway is an interesting track from a
>> technical standpoint, and the CRC is a good race. The track was
>> repaved last year and some corners were changed a bit. You won't
>> find
>> better pavement anywhere. It's easy to run large-scale races there.
>>
>> PIR is right on the MAX line (rapid transit trains), so significant
>> others are not stuck at the track--they can go into Portland with
>> minimal effort, and Portland is one of the most accessible cities in
>> the US. Very compact--you can walk anywhere in downtown. Having been
>> pretty much all over the world and especially all over North
>> America I
>> assert that Portland has restaurants, street food, taverns and
>> specialty food (like artiisan bread, great bakeries, etc) to rival or
>> surpass any city, including places like Paris, New York City and San
>> Francisco. You simply can't find better beer, and our Pinot's stack
>> up
>> to the best.
>>
>> SOVREN is very strict about racing classifications for it's members,
>> but more flexible for outsiders. I'm sure I can work with them to
>> ensure that anyone that wants to come can race. I'm also pretty
>> sure I
>> can get an all-triumph race. The CRC has plenty of track time--it
>> runs
>> Friday through Monday with Thursday usually available as an
>> inexpensive test and tune day through the Lotus Club. You can wear
>> yourself and your car out at the CRC.
>>
>> The All British Field Meet runs the same weekend in the same venue
>> (yes, there are sometimes some space problems but we can overflow to
>> the Pro Pits which are nicer for camping anyway). They have car
>> shows,
>> autojumbles, and a big vendor area. It's a well-attended show that
>> draws from car clubs all over the coast. There is a short on-track
>> autocross that's kind of a PIA, but I'd like to set up a better and
>> longer running autocross in the propit area--we've done that before.
>>
>> I think PIR is kind of ideal as a west coast venue for the Kastner
>> Cup. Seattle (Pacific Raceways) is too far from other facilities--
>> it's
>> in Kent, Washington--and the major race is the Northwest Historics,
>> which is a pretty crowded event. The Portland Historics is an HMSA
>> event, and they're hard to work with on car classifications.
>> Thunderhill is a wonderful track, but it's east of nowhere. Sears
>> (Infinion) is fabulous and wonderful Sonoma is close by, but the only
>> likely event is the CSRG Charity Challenge and it's often filled.
>> CSRG
>> is an excellent organization, but they might be a bit tough on car
>> classification. I'm not sure any of the SCCA cars would be allowed to
>> run. Laguna is too restricted--they don't have many dates anymore.
>> We'd all need sand filters for Willows.
>>
>> The only limitation at PIR is noise--you'd all need mufflers.
>>
>> It's not too early to start planning. How do we get this going?
>>
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Chasgee@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> Funny you should mention those two venues, because I was discussing
>>> this with some So Cal brethren and we came to the same conclusions.
>>> It is the West coast's turn again and I think Portland would be
>>> fantastic. Let me know if I can help organize this.
>>>
>>> Chuck Gee
>>> Blacksmith Racing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bill Babcock <Billb@bnj.com>
>>> To: Henry Frye <henry@henryfrye.com>
>>> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
>>> Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:55 am
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Our weekend at the Glen
>>>
>>> I'm thinking it's time for the left coast. Maybe Thunderhill? It's a
>>> hell of a track, though the surrounding facilities suck. Portland
>>> would be great, the Columbia River Classic is the weekend before
>>> this SVRA race (Memorial day weekend), and it's a high-track time
>>> event. Most folks are sick of racing by the time the Monday races
>>> roll around. it also encompasses the All British Field Meet which a
>>> lot of Triumph folks attend as well.
>>>
>>> I know I could get SOVREN to roll out the red carpet for FOT since I
>>> helped to give this race a boost a few years ago. The Saturday at-
>>> track party is legenday, an opportunity to get out your vintage
>>> duds, and I can commit to a pretty cool FOT party at Casa Babcock.
>
>
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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I am, in fact, quite stupidly =
willing to take that on if everyone agrees that Portland is the right =
venue. Stupidly, because having already helped to organize the CRC event =
I know how much work this can be. Since we are in fact an organization =
without any rules, I'm puzzled about how this gets decided. I guess we =
should just ask Joe and Kas. What say you guys? And does anyone have an =
objection? <div><br></div><div>I think a full-sized cutout of Uncle =
Jack in his leisure suit is a requirement for the event, and should =
travel to whatever other venues we subsequently pick for the Kastner =
Kup. </div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 10, 2008, at 6:23 PM, David =
Talbott wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>I suppose we shouldn't presume Kas's comments to be =
an official pronouncement on his part, but it does sound like Portland =
might have some potential in a bid to be the host city for the 2009 =
Kastner Cup. Since Bill Babcock has an obvious connection with the =
local Convention & Visitors Bureau, not to mention that he's =
essentially retired, I think nominating him for the position of Event =
Chair would make perfect sense to get the ball rolling. This is a =
crucial role, especially if one is to believe that Joe Alexander will be =
declining such opportunities for a while - or so I thought I heard Jan =
to suggest last Sunday at the Glen.<br><br>Of course, I'd be delighted =
to assist Bill in any way I can; however I may need all the time I can =
muster just to make sure I have a car finished for the event. =
Given that the track is all of a 7 minute tow from my shop, I'm =
thinking I wouldn't have too many excuses for not being =
there.<br><br>And unlike the Glen, the prospects for hurricane-induced =
weather events are pretty slim in September for this area, in fact it =
would be tough to pick a better time of the year to be in the NW. =
Now that I think about it, the picture of Uncle Jack in his =
polyester leisure suit that someone posted a few weeks back was taken at =
a balmy Saturday night party at the September CRC event a couple of =
years ago.<br><br>So what say, do I hear a second for my nomination of =
Billy B. to lead the charge for PDX 2009?<br><br>DT<br><br><br>----- =
Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:kaskas@cox.net";>kaskas@cox.net</a>><br>To: <<a =
href=3D"mailto:Chasgee@aol.com";>Chasgee@aol.com</a>>; "Bill Babcock" =
<<a href=3D"mailto:Billb@bnj.com";>Billb@bnj.com</a>><br>Cc: <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: =
Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:00 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Our weekend =
at the Glen<br><br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Portland is a great =
city, great track an a neat place to have a good =
time.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">---- Bill Babcock <<a =
href=3D"mailto:Billb@bnj.com";>Billb@bnj.com</a>> =
wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite">As Jeff pointed out, it's Labor Day, not Memorial =
day. I get those two<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">confused =
all the time.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Portland =
International Raceway is an interesting track from =
a<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">technical standpoint, and =
the CRC is a good race. The track was<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">repaved last year and some corners were changed a bit. =
You won't find<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">better =
pavement anywhere. It's easy to run large-scale races =
there.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">PIR is right on =
the MAX line (rapid transit trains), so =
significant<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">others are not =
stuck at the track--they can go into Portland =
with<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">minimal effort, and =
Portland is one of the most accessible cities =
in<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">the US. Very compact--you =
can walk anywhere in downtown. Having been<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">pretty much all over the world and especially all over =
North America I<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">assert that =
Portland has restaurants, street food, taverns =
and<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">specialty food (like =
artiisan bread, great bakeries, etc) to rival =
or<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">surpass any city, including =
places like Paris, New York City and San<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Francisco. You simply can't find better beer, and our =
Pinot's stack up<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">to the =
best.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">SOVREN is very =
strict about racing classifications for it's =
members,<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">but more flexible for =
outsiders. I'm sure I can work with them to<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">ensure that anyone that wants to come can race. I'm also =
pretty sure I<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">can get an =
all-triumph race. The CRC has plenty of track time--it =
runs<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Friday through Monday =
with Thursday usually available as an<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">inexpensive test and tune day through the Lotus Club. You =
can wear<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">yourself and your car =
out at the CRC.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">The All British =
Field Meet runs the same weekend in the same =
venue<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">(yes, there are =
sometimes some space problems but we can overflow =
to<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">the Pro Pits which are =
nicer for camping anyway). They have car =
shows,<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">autojumbles, and a big =
vendor area. It's a well-attended show that<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">draws from car clubs all over the coast. There is a short =
on-track<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">autocross that's kind =
of a PIA, but I'd like to set up a better =
and<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">longer running autocross =
in the propit area--we've done that before.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">I think PIR is =
kind of ideal as a west coast venue for the =
Kastner<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Cup. Seattle (Pacific =
Raceways) is too far from other =
facilities--it's<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">in Kent, =
Washington--and the major race is the Northwest =
Historics,<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">which is a pretty =
crowded event. The Portland Historics is an =
HMSA<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">event, and they're hard =
to work with on car classifications.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Thunderhill is a wonderful track, but it's east of =
nowhere. Sears<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">(Infinion) is =
fabulous and wonderful Sonoma is close by, but the =
only<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">likely event is the CSRG =
Charity Challenge and it's often filled. =
CSRG<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">is an excellent =
organization, but they might be a bit tough on =
car<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">classification. I'm not =
sure any of the SCCA cars would be allowed =
to<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">run. Laguna is too =
restricted--they don't have many dates =
anymore.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">We'd all need sand =
filters for Willows.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">The only =
limitation at PIR is noise--you'd all need =
mufflers.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">It's not too =
early to start planning. How do we get this =
going?<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 9, 2008, =
at 8:35 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:Chasgee@aol.com";>Chasgee@aol.com</a> =
wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Bill,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Funny you should mention those =
two venues, because I was =
discussing<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">this with some So Cal brethren =
and we came to the same =
conclusions.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">It is the West coast's turn =
again and I think Portland would =
be<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">fantastic. Let me know if I can help organize =
this.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Chuck =
Gee<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Blacksmith Racing<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">-----Original =
Message-----<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">From: Bill Babcock <<a =
href=3D"mailto:Billb@bnj.com";>Billb@bnj.com</a>><br></blockquote></blockqu=
ote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">To: Henry Frye =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:henry@henryfrye.com";>henry@henryfrye.com</a>><br></blockquo=
te></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Cc: =
<a =
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</blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Sent: =
Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:55 am<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Subject: Re: [Fot] Our weekend =
at the Glen<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">I'm thinking it's time for the =
left coast. Maybe Thunderhill? It's =
a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">hell of a track, though the surrounding facilities suck. =
Portland<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">would be great, the Columbia =
River Classic is the weekend =
before<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">this SVRA race (Memorial day weekend), and it's a =
high-track time<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">event. Most folks are sick of =
racing by the time the Monday =
races<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">roll around. it also encompasses the All British Field =
Meet which a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">lot of Triumph folks attend as =
well.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">I know I could get SOVREN to =
roll out the red carpet for FOT since =
I<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">helped to give this race a boost a few years ago. The =
Saturday at-<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">track party is legenday, an =
opportunity to get out your =
vintage<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote=
type=3D"cite">duds, and I can commit to a pretty cool FOT party at Casa =
Babcock.<br></blockquote></blockquote><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br=
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