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To: Gary McCormick <gkmcc@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] BaT
From: Dave Sommers via Datsun-roadsters <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 15:19:16 -0500
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It's a perception thing because they are not power boosted. Most don't reall=
y need the brake change and a poorly executed swap is the worst thing you co=
uld do.  On the track the larger area of pad and bigger disk to absorb and d=
issipate the generated heat may be of value.  But many racing classes don't a=
llow a major brake change.  Most drivers will never go harder than the stock=
 brakes are capable of handling anyway. With good pads It takes several real=
ly hard laps of really hard braking to get beyond them.=20

The braking effort is limited by the tire contact patch and friction generat=
ed there.   If you go to much bigger rotors, really large area of brake pad c=
ontact and then much bigger sticky tires, a bigger brake set up can be of us=
e in high performance driving.  Otherwise the stock brake set up is pretty g=
ood if you keep them maintained and adjusted properly. =20

But what the heck do I know.  Truth of the matter would be G force and dista=
nce tests, stock versus modified but each with the same tire set up.=20

Dave Sommers
Dive Hatteras llc
www.divehatteras.com
703-517-3724 boat phone
703-818-1850

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Gary McCormick via Datsun-roadsters <datsun-ro=
adsters@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Except for parts availability I have never understood the Volvo brake conv=
ersion. The front brakes on the Roadster are the same as used on the Jensen I=
nterceptor, a car which weighs nearly twice as much as a Roadster.
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> Gary McCormick
> San Jose, CA
> 1970 SRL211-13291
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> From: Roy Haslett via Datsun-roadsters <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 10:30 AM
> Subject: [Roadsters] BaT
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> Autocross Tuned 1969 Datsun 2000 Roadster
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> This 1969 Datsun 2000 Roadster (chassis SRL31107161) has been set up for a=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>It's a perception thing because they a=
re not power boosted. Most don't really need the brake change and a poorly e=
xecuted swap is the worst thing you could do. &nbsp;<span style=3D"backgroun=
d-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">On the track the larger area of pad and bi=
gger disk to absorb and dissipate the generated heat may be of value. &nbsp;=
But many racing classes don't allow a major brake change. &nbsp;Most drivers=
 will never go harder than the stock brakes are capable of handling anyway. W=
ith good pads It takes several really hard laps of really hard braking to ge=
t beyond them.&nbsp;</span></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><span style=3D=
"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div id=3D"Appl=
eMailSignature">The braking effort is limited by the tire contact patch and f=
riction generated there. &nbsp; If you go to much bigger rotors, really larg=
e area of brake pad contact and then much bigger sticky tires, a bigger brak=
e set up can be of use in high performance driving. &nbsp;Otherwise the stoc=
k brake set up is pretty good if you keep them maintained and adjusted prope=
rly. &nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMa=
ilSignature">But what the heck do I know. &nbsp;Truth of the matter would be=
 G force and distance tests, stock versus modified but each with the same ti=
re set up.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"Ap=
pleMailSignature">Dave Sommers<div>Dive Hatteras llc</div><div><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.divehatteras.com">www.divehatteras.com</a></div><div><span class=3D=
"Apple-style-span" style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.=
294118);">703-517-3724 boat phone</span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-styl=
e-span" style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -w=
ebkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composi=
tion-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">703-818-1850</span></div><=
/div><div><br>On Dec 1, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Gary McCormick via Datsun-roadster=
s &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net";>datsun-roadsters@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div=
 style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york,=
 times, serif;font-size:24px"><div>Except for parts availability I have neve=
r understood the Volvo brake conversion. The front brakes on the Roadster ar=
e the same as used on the Jensen Interceptor, a car which weighs nearly twic=
e as much as a Roadster.</div><div><br></div><div>Gary McCormick</div><div i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1448990849167_43637">San Jose, CA</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1448990849167_43638">1970 SRL211-13291<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1=
_1448990849167_42400"><span></span></div><br>  <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14489=
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mily: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-s=
erif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1448990849167_43618" dir=3D=
"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Roy Haslett via Datsun-roadsters &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net";>datsun-roadsters@autox.team.ne=
t</a>&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Datsun Ro=
adster List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net";>datsun-ro=
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