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RE: Holley 390 Secondary Fuel Metering

To: buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: Holley 390 Secondary Fuel Metering
From: "Jones, Daniel C" <Daniel.Jones@MW.Boeing.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:49:45 -0500
>I'm running a TR8, Offy/JWR Dual Port manifold

Hey, I used to have an Offy/JWR Dual Port.  Haven't seen it in
a while though :-)

>This made me wonder whether I'm not getting a lean mixture
>from the secondaries since they would be opening up and adding 
>significantly to A/F ratio under these conditions.  I've heard that you 
>"MUST" convert the 390 to the adjustable metering plates (4150?), 
>is this why?

Yes, you're going lean. The 8007 390 is a 4160 Holley which means 
it has a plate with fixed size orifices for metering.  These plates are 
replaceable with similar plates of differing orifices but they cost 
much more than jets.  You also have to disassemble the carb 
each time you want to change the mixture.  If you have to try more 
than a couple of plates (and you probably will), you'll want to convert 
to the 4150 secondary metering block which has removable jets. 
However, you'll still have to pull the fuel bowls off to change the jets, 
unless you install the Holley quick change fuel bowls.   They have a 
threaded plug that allows access to the jets without disassembly of 
the carb.  Highly recommended.

One drawback is the quick change bowls are only compatible with 
center hung floats and the 8007 has side hung floats.  If you plan 
on hard cornering, you'll want the center hung floats since they are 
much less susceptible to cornering loads and fuel slosh.  Side hung 
floats have a pivot at one side of the bowl (the pivot pin runs 
front-to-back in the carb, hence "side pivot") and a long float that 
extends to the other side.  With that arrangement, mechanical 
leverage is significant and a slight slosh at the far tip can cause the 
entire float to move.  With the center pivot floats, the pivot pin runs 
side-to-side and the mechanical leverage is much lower, so slosh in 
the corners doesn't lift or drop the floats as easily.  You can change 
from side hung to center hung floats by simply by changing bowl and 
float assemblies.  Holley will be glad to sell you the parts or you can 
pick up a core carb at a swap meet.

The 8007 also comes with a 6.5 power valve which you'll need to 
replace to match your engine's vacuum characteristics.  Check the 
vacuum at idle (warmed up and in gear if the vehicle is equipped with 
an automatic transmission) and at various *steady* cruise speeds.  The 
power valve should be picked to open at 1 1/2" to 2" Hg below the 
minimum steady vacuum reading.  For instance, if 11" Hg is the 
minimum observed, pick a #90 power valve (trips at 9.0" Hg).  

Note that the power valve only determines when the additional fuel is 
added.  The amount of fuel added is determined by the diameter of the 
power valve channel restrictors (PVCR's).  To properly tune the power 
valve circuit to provide best power and best fuel economy, the PVCR 
diameters will probably need to be altered.  Unfortunately, this means 
making permanent modifications to the metering block, either drilling 
the passages larger or epoxing them shut and re-drilling smaller.  IIRC, 
you already had Ted's carb guru work your carb over and one of the 
mods was to enlarge the PVCR diameters.  If you want to set a carb 
up to cruise at a stochiometric fuel-air ratio (high vacuum, power valve 
closed, best fuel mileage), and have the ideal mixture for maximum 
power at wide open throttle (power valve open), the PVCR's should be 
approximately one half the diameter of your main jet orifices when you 
are all done jetting.  That ratio of orifice size to jet size will give you 
around a 25% increase in fuel flow, the difference required to go from 
stochiometric to best power fuel air mixture (for pump gas).  Actually, 
you can go a little leaner than stochiometric for best fuel economy but 
you have to be careful to retain driveability.

You may also need to change the vacuum diaphragm spring which 
controls the opening rate of a secondaries.  Holley makes a spring 
assortment kit (P/N 20-13) for tuning purposes.  The color-coded 
springs run from light tension to heavy:

        White - Weakest
        Yellow (Short Spring)
        Yellow
        Purple
        Plain (Steel gray)
        Brown
        Black - Stiffest

A lighter spring will allow the secondary throttle plates to open more 
quickly.  Likewise, a stiffer spring will delay the secondary opening.  
To make spring changes easy, Holley makes an inexpensive quick 
change kit (P/N 20-59).  It consists of a two-piece secondary 
diaphragm housing cover which allows spring replacement without 
housing disassembly.  

I did the quick change fuel bowls, the quick change secondary kit 
and added power valve protection to the Holley 735 I run in my
Pantera and it makes the Holley much more user friendly.  Still
not as nice as a Carter AFB but tolerable.

Speaking of the Carter AFB, are you interested in trying my Carter 
400 when I get it back?  It's currently installed on a co-worker's 
'66 Mustang for testing purposes but I'll be getting it back sometime 
soon.  It might be interesting to see how it stacks up against the 
Holley 390.


Dan Jones


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