I, for one, can vouch for Peter getting "that way"
when he's hungry. I'm sure I'm not the only one that
remembers a bottle of water slamming into the wall
next to my head at the Tour in Atwater.
Kevin Hubert
P.S. After we ate, he did apologize. After.
--- Original Message ---
From: "Thana, Peter {High~Palo Alto}"
<PETER.THANA@ROCHE.COM>
To: "'siastuning@attbi.com'"
<siastuning@attbi.com>, "Thana, Peter {High~Palo
Alto}" <PETER.THANA@ROCHE.COM>
CC: "'james creasy'" <Black94PGT@pacbell.net>, ba-
autox@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: bmw != POS , was Re: Jr. Cart Entrants
Round 9?
>It's okay, I've calmed down now. I get that way
sometimes when I'm hungry.
>Luckily one of my colleagues had a bag of cookies:)
>
>Alan, I really don't think any of this is a result of
your obviously
>tongue-in-cheek remark. James was trying to defend
BMWs, it just didn't
>sound that way when I first read it.
>
>Peter
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: siastuning@attbi.com
[mailto:siastuning@attbi.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 3:34 PM
>To: Thana, Peter {High~Palo Alto}
>Cc: 'james creasy'; ba-autox@autox.team.net
>Subject: RE: bmw != POS , was Re: Jr. Cart Entrants
Round 9?
>
>
>WOW PETER!! You tell him!
>
>Bad day at work Peter??
>--
>Vic Sias
>www.siastuning.com
>650-704-0771
>> >sunday we test drove a 1999 740i sport package
BMW... i toasted the
>brakes
>> >just test driving it on the street! smelled up
the whole place when we
>> took
>> >it back. a nice car and certainly not a POS, but
so numb you would learn
>> >every bad habit in the book trying to drive that
in a 'sporty' manner.
>by
>> >'numb' i mean you can give it ridiculously violent
inputs and the car
>> >responds very smoothly. difficult to get the rear
out. (ps this
>behemoth
>> >is for the babe, not me!)
>>
>> Not sure what you're trying to prove, James. That
BMWs are lily-livered
>> pansy cars not capable of living up to your
considerable machismo? If so
>it
>> sounds like scored a mighty victory over this poor
car. Go test drive a
>> bunch of other cars with 115 inch wheelbases and
4250lbs of weight to
>carry
>> around and then tell us which one is "numb". I've
personally tried out a
>> 740iL w/o sport package, and was amazed by how
small it feels relative to
>> its actual size. I pushed the car harder than its
target market ever
>would
>> and was impressed, but obviously I didn't give it
enough "ridiculously
>> violent inputs". Saying that a two ton luxury
sedan doesn't respond like
>a
>> shifter kart is like driving your FFR and
complaining that it's too loud
>and
>> doesn't have cupholders. Extrapolating your
experience with a 740 and one
>> person's broken part on an M3 to show that BMWs are
not capable of
>surviving
>> track use is just plain stupid.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: james creasy [mailto:Black94PGT@pacbell.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:35 PM
>> To: Alan Gruner; Adam Steffes
>> Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
>> Subject: bmw != POS , was Re: Jr. Cart Entrants
Round 9?
>>
>>
>> my friend's E36 M3 busted the frame where the front
sway bar mounts.
>>
>> to be fair, you gotta remember that these are mass
produced as street
>cars,
>> not race cars. they arent designed to take the
abuse of autocross or
>track
>> driving. as people abuse the new cars they
discover the weak spots and
>can
>> beef them up.
>>
>> sunday we test drove a 1999 740i sport package
BMW... i toasted the brakes
>> just test driving it on the street! smelled up the
whole place when we
>took
>> it back. a nice car and certainly not a POS, but
so numb you would learn
>> every bad habit in the book trying to drive that in
a 'sporty' manner. by
>> 'numb' i mean you can give it ridiculously violent
inputs and the car
>> responds very smoothly. difficult to get the rear
out. (ps this behemoth
>> is for the babe, not me!)
>>
>> -james c
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alan Gruner" <algruner@yahoo.com>
>> > What kind of POS was it? :)
>> >
>> > --- Adam Steffes <asteffes@asteffes.com> wrote:
>> > > A load induced by the 285-width Potenzas, I
might
>> > > add. It's not like the
>> > > car was just a cheap POS.
>> > > -Adam
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, 21 May 2002, Navid Kahangi wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:59:55 -0700
>> > > > From: Navid Kahangi <navid@interwoven.com>
>> > > > To: 'Carl Merritt' <CMerritt@luminous.com>,
>> > > > 'Pat Kelly' <lollipop487@attbi.com>,
>> > > > 'Donald R McKenna'
>> > > <donbarbmckenna@earthlink.net>,
>> > > > Barry Spencer <bspencer@tsoft.com>, Peter
>> > > Mottaz <mph_16@hotmail.com>,
>> > > > bchafin@attglobal.net,
>> > > ellenrosenbluth@hotmail.com, ellamt@sbc.com
>> > > > Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
>> > > > Subject: RE: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
>> > > >
>> > > > My power steering problem was not caused by
German
>> > > Engineering, it was good
>> > > > ol' American handy work. The hose that I
busted
>> > > at Stockton a couple of
>> > > > weeks ago was on back order, so I had a hose
>> > > fabricated to get me going.
>> > > > They did a great job on the hose, but they
either
>> > > didn't tighten the bolts
>> > > > hard enough, or they came loose under load.
>> > > >
>> > > > Carl did an excellent job of driving his
underdog
>> > > NA car in T3, especially
>> > > > in the twisty technical tracks!
>> > > >
>> > > > --Navid
>> > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: Carl Merritt
>> > > [mailto:CMerritt@luminous.com]
>> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:44 AM
>> > > > > To: 'Pat Kelly'; Navid Kahangi; 'Donald R
>> > > McKenna'; Barry
>> > > > > Spencer; Peter
>> > > > > Mottaz; bchafin@attglobal.net;
>> > > ellenrosenbluth@hotmail.com;
>> > > > > ellamt@sbc.com
>> > > > > Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
>> > > > > Subject: RE: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Speaking of German Engineering, at one
point all
>> > > three
>> > > > > generations of M3s
>> > > > > had power steering systems failing, Navid's
E46,
>> > > Lewis's
>> > > > > turbo E36, and
>> > > > > Tammy Hull's E30. Oh, and let's not forget
the
>> > > Mini-S
>> > > > > (essentially a BMW)
>> > > > > having it's electric PS cooling fan break
too.
>> > > Most amusing...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ;-)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I just got videos up online from the OTC for
>> > > those with
>> > > > > bandwidth to spare:
>> > > > >
>> > >
>> >
http://www.binaryvista.com/ZCars/Z32/2002/OTC/index.htm
l
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -Carl
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > > From: Pat Kelly
[mailto:lollipop487@attbi.com]
>> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:49 AM
>> > > > > > To: Navid Kahangi; 'Donald R McKenna';
Barry
>> > > Spencer; Peter Mottaz;
>> > > > > > bchafin@attglobal.net;
>> > > ellenrosenbluth@hotmail.com; ellamt@sbc.com
>> > > > > > Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
>> > > > > > Subject: Re: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Typical. The old saying, 'first you have
to
>> > > finish...' Glad
>> > > > > > the new models
>> > > > > > are holding up the true Lotus
tradition. :)
>> > > > > > --Pat K
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ----------
>> > > > > > >From: Navid Kahangi
<navid@interwoven.com>
>> > > > > > >To: "'Donald R McKenna'"
>> > > <donbarbmckenna@earthlink.net>,
>> > > > > > Barry Spencer
>> > > > > > <bspencer@tsoft.com>, Peter Mottaz
>> > > <mph_16@hotmail.com>,
>> > > > > > bchafin@attglobal.net,
>> > > ellenrosenbluth@hotmail.com, ellamt@sbc.com
>> > > > > > >Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
>> > > > > > >Subject: RE: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
>> > > > > > >Date: Tue, May 21, 2002, 10:39 AM
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Speaking of British reliability, both
>> > > Lotuses (Motorsport
>> > > > > > Elise and 340R) at
>> > > > > > > the OTC were kicking major butts right
up to
>> > > the moment
>> > > > > > they broke down.
>> > > > > > > Something about the harmonic balancer
coming
>> > > apart and
>> > > > > > destroying the timing
>> > > > > > > belt and the valve train.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > --Navid
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > > >> From: Donald R McKenna
>> > > [mailto:donbarbmckenna@earthlink.net]
>> > > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:06 AM
>> > > > > > >> To: Barry Spencer; Peter Mottaz;
>> > > bchafin@attglobal.net;
>> > > > > > >> ellenrosenbluth@hotmail.com;
>> > > ellamt@sbc.com; Navid Kahangi
>> > > > > > >> Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
>> > > > > > >> Subject: Re: Jr. Cart Entrants Round 9?
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Barry,
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> >If Christopher and I can fix the
clutch
>> > > this weekend on his
>> > > > > > >> KT100 he'll be
>> > > > > > >> >there too. It's leaking oil and it's
not
>> > > British :>)
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Now that's some "British" humor I can
>> > > understand, having
>> > > > > > "hung-around"
>> > > > > > >> Trimuph motorcycles in my youth. But
you
>> > > know what? The Brits
>> > > > > > >> must have
>> > > > > > >> switched from Lucas refrigerators as,
the
>> > > last time I was
>> > > > > > >> there the beer was
>> > > > > > >> cold :-)
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Don
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