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Re: toys - was: c2 automotive

To: Jerry Brown <jerbrown@pacbell.net>, ba-autox@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: toys - was: c2 automotive
From: James Creasy <black94pgt@pacbell.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:16:51 -0800
there are certainly lots of good reasons to tow, but if i go through all
that trouble, why not tow a real race car, not an ultra heavy semi-modified
street car with all the wrong engineering for racing.  just my thinking, of
course, based on my experiences with my rx7.  driving it on the street was
awful after i modded it, and it was still 10K from being competitive.

so i race a street car.  it can be used for autox and then commute in style
to the opera, then drive to LA without a second thought, or go grocery
shopping (done all of those :)).  no changing tires each event.  thats a car
to me.  but its also a really fun toy that i can modify cheaply.

also, i have no use for a truck or trailer except to tow a vehicle, and
buying and maintaining another vehicle i will use 14 days a year sounds
awful.  then i have to load the car on each time... blaa.  what do you guys
do with your trucks when you are not towing???  where do you park your
trailers?

cheers!

-James "no trailer" Creasy
Slip Angle Racing www.klio.net/cobra


----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Brown <jerbrown@pacbell.net>
> Don't most of us gearheads regard our cars as toys - regardless of
> whether we tow them or not?
>
> Speaking of which, there are lots of good reasons to tow a car to an
> event. I found that as I became more and more involved, it took more and
> more "stuff", such as tires, tools, jacks, etc. A tow vehicle is a great
> place for that stuff.
>
> I also found that as I modified the car, it became less and less
> desirable to drive it 100-150 miles to events - and it really helps my
> peace of mind to know that even if the car breaks far away from home, I
> can still get it back to the safety of the garage.
>
> Oh, and on those hot, hot summer days, it's wonderful to jump in the tow
> vehicle and crank up the A/C! ;^)
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> -jerry
>
> James Creasy wrote:
> >
> > virtually every aspect of a race car and a street are are in direct
> > opposition. thats why i have two cars. but once you start to trailer a
car,
> > then to me it ceases to be a car, but is instead a special toy and why
not
> > just get a formula car?  so i may have to put on more serious brakes
anyway
> > (esp after i install the 530 hp all motor stroker).
> >
> > -james
> >
> > Happiness isn't around the corner, it IS the corner!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Navid Kahangi <nkahangi@interwoven.com>
> >
> > > Sorry to break this to you, but R4Ss suck just a little less than your
> > > street pads on track.  They are not made to withstand that kind of a
heat.
> > > R4 (without the S) is a decent track pad, but not as good as
Performance
> > > Friction PF90s (if you can live with the rattle).  Neither R4 nor PF90
is
> > a
> > > good street pad.  There is no magic answer here, if you want the
stopping
> > > power on track, you need to suffer the pad swapping pain.  It's like
> > street
> > > tires vs. race tires.
> > >
> > > --Navid
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of James Creasy
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 12:24 PM
> > > > To: Smokerbros@aol.com
> > > > Cc: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > Subject: Re: c2 automotive
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > whats "green fade"?
> > > >
> > > > the pads had about 12,000 miles on them at the time.  i have since
> > swapped
> > > > them for porterfield R4S.
> > > >
> > > > -james
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Smokerbros@aol.com <Smokerbros@aol.com>
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> i can report that pep boys brake pads lasted 2 turns on my car
> > > > at laguna.
> > > > >> then the pedal went bye-bye.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Did you green fade the pads, or just put them on and run them?  You
> > might
> > > > >have green faded them in that 2nd turn...
> > > > >
> > > > >CHD

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