This is exactly my point - we are all talking degrees here.
You are comfortable with 62 classes, I thought that 50 was
too many when we were at that level. Someone else could
make 70 their target, or even 24 as Jeff Lloyd suggests.
I think that an Open + Ladies class totalling less than 22 at a National
with 1100 entrants is too few. You think that a total of 12 is
OK.
I suspect that we would both agree that adding 12 classes
in 3 years is excessive, and continued growth at that rate
is inadvisable.
Reasonable folks can (& will) disagree. . . . .
Regards,
Roger #2
DA>This not meant as smart a$$, so please don't take it that way.
DA>What are the drawbacks to having 60 classes as opposed to 50? What bad
DA>thing does this bring to the sport? I guess my logic could create the
DA>situation in 5 years of someone saying the same thing, just with 70 classes
DA>opposed to 60 and so on. 150 classes is too many too, IMO, but the current
DA>mix seems pretty good.
DA>Under subscribed classes should be eliminated under due course. The current
DA>rule seems to work. Wasn't AM under probation last year due to low turnout?
DA>This year, they had good turnout. The situation remedied itself.
DA>Were there any classes with less than 12 entrants at nationals this year?
DA>The new classes just added participants without removing them from other
DA>classes (or they were replaced)
DA>One thing is for sure, we (team.nut) could argue about this until our
DA>keyboards wore out and still not change too many minds (among ourselves)
DA>RogerStock - 4 entrants and counting
DA>Dave
DA>----- Original Message -----
DA>From: <rjohnson@friendlynet.com>
DA>To: <autox@autox.team.net>
DA>Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 5:03 PM
DA>Subject: Re: BSM/SM2
DA>>
DA>> Clearly, we are talking about degrees in this stuff:
DA>>
DA>> Perhaps all would agree that 1 entrant in a class at the National
DA>> Championship, on a consistent basis, is too few entries to warrant
DA>> a class. 150 entries might be universally regarded as too many, and
DA>> worth
DA>> a split.
DA>>
DA>> Perhaps all would agree that 2 classes for National competition is too
DA>> few. 150 classes might be universally regarded as too many, and worth
DA>> consolidation.
DA>>
DA>> IMO, a class populated by less than 2% of the field at a National
DA>> Championship, on a consistent basis, is too few to warrant further
DA>> inclusion as a National class.
DA>>
DA>> IMO, 62 classes is too many. A previous SEB held strong convictions
DA>> that
DA>> they would not exceed 50, and held to that number for 6 years. Since
DA>> 1998,
DA>> the floodgates have been opened.
DA>>
DA>> I congratulate the SCAC for holding the line at 9 open classes for 12
DA>> years
DA>> now, in spite of the participant population showing that, compared to
DA>> the other categories, there should be more. I applaud their stand,
DA>> especially in
DA>> the face of no discipline as to the number of classes in SP-P-M &
DA>> 'Other'.
DA>>
DA>> I have absolutely no problem with F125, SM, STS, STR, FP, OSP or any
DA>> of
DA>> the other alphabet-soup classes run in various parts of the country, so
DA>> long
DA>> as there are sufficient entries to warrant National status.
DA>> If this means that some of the older, established but yet
DA>> diminishing-number
DA>> classes have to go away or consolidate or have Regional-only status, so
DA>> be it.
DA>> People vote with their feet & their money.
DA>>
DA>> Roger
DA>>
DA>> (Note: I know of 4 'Roger Johnson' named folks that autocross. There
DA>> could be more. . . . .)
DA>>
DA>>
DA>>
DA>> DA>2 classes : People named Roger Johnson (2 entrants) and the rest of us
DA>:)
DA>> DA>:) BIG GRIN INTENDED
DA>>
DA>> DA>Seriously, the current # of classes seems very close to the correct
DA>number.
DA>> DA>Within reason, what pluses are there to only having 20 classes as
DA>opposed to
DA>> DA>the current 54. Shorter banquets? BFD IMO If they go to a 6 day
DA>format to
DA>> DA>handle the number of cars, then there will be more, shorter banquets.
DA>>
DA>> DA>What does eliminating the ladies classes help? Does having these
DA>classes do
DA>> DA>anything bad to the sport?
DA>>
DA>> DA>Dave
DA>>
DA>> DA>----- Original Message -----
DA>> DA>From: "Kent Rafferty" <gs96@sgi.net>
DA>> DA>To: <autox@autox.team.net>
DA>> DA>Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 1:07 PM
DA>> DA>Subject: Re: BSM/SM2
DA>>
DA>>
DA>> DA>> Based on Roger's criteria, we should eliminate the
DA>> DA>> following classes:
DA>> DA>>
DA>> DA>> Street Prepared: DSP ASP,
DA>> DA>> Prepared: BP, AP, FP, EP, DP
DA>> DA>> Modified: DM, BM, EM, AM, FM
DA>> DA>> Other: F125, SM
DA>> DA>>
DA>> DA>> That certainly will streamline Solo II :-)
DA>> DA>>
DA>> DA>> Kent Rafferty
DA>> DA>>
DA>> DA>> Roger wrote:
DA>> DA>> > Me too - already too many classes. 20 entrants at
DA>> DA>> > an event with almost 1100 competitors isn't enough
DA>> DA>> > for a new class to be considered, or for an old class
DA>> DA>> > to be retained.
DA>> DA>> >
DA>> DA>> > Roger
DA>> DA>> >
DA>> DA>> >
DA>> DA>> > BU>I agree, we don't need Natinal class
DA>> DA>> >
DA>> DA>> > BU>-----Original Message-----
DA>> DA>> > BU>From: owner-autox@autox.team.net
DA>> DA>> [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On
DA>> DA>> > BU>Behalf Of Don Kline
DA>> DA>> > BU>Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 9:30 PM
DA>> DA>> > BU>To: lamont@mailhost.org; autox@autox.team.net
DA>> DA>> > BU>Subject: Re: BSM/SM2
DA>> DA>> >
DA>> DA>> >
DA>> DA>> > BU>Brad wrote:
DA>> DA>> >
DA>> DA>> > BU>I still think that SM should be a regional only
DA>> DA>> class, with no national
DA>> DA>> > BU>level classes. It should be a catch-all for
DA>> DA>> people who show up to events
DA>> DA>> > BU>with cars not prepared to SCCA rules so they don't
DA>> DA>> run DM/EM.
DA>> DA>> >
DA>> DA>> > BU>Just my opinion,
DA>> DA>> >
DA>> DA>> > BU>Brad
DA>> DA>> >
DA>> DA>> >
DA>> DA>> >
DA>> DA>> >
DA>> DA>> >
DA>> DA>> >
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