Does not appear to be a big issue here in Ontario either. The car has to pass a
safety check and emissions check based upon the year of manufacture.
Ownership/registration has to show the number of cylinders of whatever engine
is installed. We're not allowed to bypass emissions control, such a catalytic
converter bypassed with straight pipe, but everyone does it.
Eddie Donovan (AlpineII)
Carlsbad Springs, Ontario
Series II, 1961 - B9108405 LRX - Being restored
Series II, 1961 - B9104430 ODLR - Future project
SAOCA Member
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex McGregor [mailto:awmcgregor@shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:43 PM
To: Thomas Wiencek
Cc: 'Denis STEVENS'; 'Alpine, Message'
Subject: Re: Engine Swaps in Countries Other than the USA
Tom:
I didn't see any responses from Canada so I'll embarass myself.
I think the regulations may be different for each province. In
Saskatchewan, where I live, there are no regulations that I know of. If
your car has been registered here in the past you can swap in the engine
from a space schuttle. If not, it has to pass a basic safety check (and
maybe emissions).
When I registered my 59 Minx all I had to do was give them their pound of
flesh (aka 118 Canadian dollars). At the time it had no brakes, holes in
the exhaust and other minor faults, no-one looked at it. I've NEVER had to
have a car inspected for any reason. In fact, my daughter who goes to
school in another province, had her catalytic convertor plug up. The
muffler shop she took it to refused to replace it with a straight pipe until
she pointed out the Sask. plates. Then, no problem. I'm assuming because
no tests.
Moral of thesec stories? How do I get an Allison engine into an Alpine?
Al
Thomas Wiencek wrote:
> I want to thank everyone who responded to my question. The discussion
> group is GREAT for getting world-wide information!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-alpines@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-alpines@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Denis STEVENS
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:29 PM
> To: Thomas Wiencek; Alpine, Message
> Subject: RE: Engine Swaps in Countries Other than the USA
>
> Hi, Thomas
>
> You'll get feedback from UK and Finland, here is now situation in
> France.
>
> We're most likely in one of the most restrictive country in terms of
> modifications applied to a car.
> Every manufacturer has to get "Certificat des Mines" (government
> certificate) before being allowed to sell the car in France meaning
>
> 1. Only few cosmetic modifications (e.g. aluminum wheels) are tolerated,
> any
> other one (especially engine) need a new certificate from above
> mentioned
> organism which is kind of Holy Graal to get ! Needless to say, there are
> few
> modified cars down there but owners are doing this at their own risk !
> 2. Recently, classic car driver had an accident leading to trouble with
> his
> insurance company after expertise conducted on car : TR6 simply modified
> from carburettor to injection !
> 3. Getting a registration number for classic car is quite easy as long
> as
> the car has been once compiled by the Mines no matter whether its brand
> is
> still existing or not, you can then easily get a registration for
> Delage,
> Hotchkiss, Sunbeam or Aston-Martin. Situation is getting much more
> tricky if
> car is imported from USA or anywhere else in the world and not
> recognized by
> Mines : only chance is to get so called "collection registration" which
> exempt you from MoT (never knew what it stands for BTW) but is very
> restrictive since you can only use car near by your place unless warning
> insurance and authorities 2 weeks beforehand not to mention value of the
> car
> decreases drastically.
>
> Just to give you an example of situation : friend of mine imported Mazda
> Miata back on 93 and never succeeded to get registration number since
> Mazda
> France imported car as MX5 and not Miata leading Mines to consider cas
> as
> different model at least for few years. My friend has been then obliged
> to
> sell car in Belgium at lower price; Actually, I'm quite sure Mazda
> France
> meant to do it in order to prevent transhipment. Since then, few Miata's
> have now been imported but first to some other EU countries then to
> France.
> As you can see regulations are extremely tricky, wish I could have same
> situation where you can almost have a registration for a V8 whellbarrow
> ;-)
>
> Hope this helps for your survey and my english was accurate enough
>
> Denis
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : owner-alpines@autox.team.net
> [mailto:owner-alpines@autox.team.net]De la part de Thomas Wiencek
> Envoyi : mardi 3 septembre 2002 18:25
> @ : Alpine, Message
> Objet : Engine Swaps in Countries Other than the USA
>
> What is the legality of putting a non-stock engine into a car in other
> countries? For example, does an Alpine have to have a stock engine to
> pass the MOT? In the USA the only requirement is that the pollution
> standards for the model year of the car be met. This means that it is
> legal to put a less polluting engine into an antique car but it is not
> legal to put a non-pollution control engine into a modern car. I am not
> trying to start a discussion about stock versus non-stock, I am just
> trying to understand the laws that other countries have about engine
> swapping. Thank you.
>
> Tom
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