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Thank you, Tom. Very helpful information. Bet you=E2=80=99ll never forget c=
hanging
that clutch in the parking lot!
By now, I=E2=80=99ve read =E2=80=9Cevery=E2=80=9D technical article and eve=
ry posting about TR6
clutches I could find on the web. It seems every combination of components
has its down side-mostly involving the T/O bearing.
With all due respect to the suggestions and comments to of the group, I=E2=
=80=99m
still undecided, but I am leaning toward the TRF package. I also plan to
speak with Moss=E2=80=99 technical advisors to see what they recommend.
I wish you had some pictures of that parking lot clutch job. I=E2=80=99d lo=
ve to
see them.
Thanks again.
Bob Fabie
On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 1:30 PM Tom Walling <pdqtr6@comcast.net> wrote:
> My only knowledge of how TRF's Magic Clutch works on the car is from
> postings here on the lists. I do know that TRF has always been a strong
> advocate for quality above price, and I feel that is really important whe=
n
> it comes to parts that are a real pig to get at and change-out.
>
> My current clutch was "cobbled together" from parts from TRF, World Parts
> (remember them? are they still around?) and a junk yard in Asheville NC. =
I
> was there for the 1994 VTR National and arrived on the "hook" of a tow
> truck. I changed the clutch in the host hotel's parking lot in the heat
> between the daily thunder storms. That's something I hope never to repeat=
!
> I have not had any further touble with it, but you never know. My next on=
e
> will be a Magic Clutch from TRF.
>
> On 06/18/2021 7:28 PM Robert Rochlin <rrochlin@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> My opinion is using a bronze bearing carrier is extremely important to
> getting a smooth clutch action.
> How heavy the clutch action on TR6 is has been a repeated discussion on
> the list. Randell Young had a number of articles on TR6 clutch research =
by
> TR6 enthusiasts. I=E2=80=99ve had many standard shift cars and I can=E2=
=80=99t recall any
> having a heavier clutch action then the TR6 even many V8=E2=80=99s. Ther=
e is an
> internal hydraulic clutch available for the TR6, but I don=E2=80=99t th=
ink the
> TRF magic clutch kit utilizes it.
> Best
> Bob
> 72=E2=80=99 TR6
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 18, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I may be wrong, but I think the TRF Magic Clutch Kit has the slave
> cylinder inside the bell housing. I don't have one, have heard many say
> it is a good kit, and I am sure it is, but that particular feature gives =
me
> a little concern.
>
>
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
>
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 4:11 PM rmf3860 rmf3860 < bobfabie@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks to all who responded to my post, and a few follow up
> questions/comments:
>
> BERRY PRICE: You installed a LUK clutch and stated, =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6and=
its been
> trouble.=E2=80=9D Did you mean it=E2=80=99s been no trouble?
>
> TOM WALLING: I may be leaning toward the =E2=80=9CMagic Clutch Kit=E2=80=
=9D. Do they
> specify the brands of each component, or do you know from having installe=
d
> the kit?
>
> DICK TAYLOR: Would you recommend TRF=E2=80=99s kit, just their TO bearing=
, or some
> other combination? Is this the bearing that requires a counter spring on
> the slave?
>
> MARK BRADAKIS: Great story. Too bad you had to disassemble everything a
> second time after hearing the crunching sounds. Do you recommend TRF kit =
or
> something else?
>
> TIMOTHY HOLBROOK: Yes, I=E2=80=99m aware of the importance of proper alig=
nment and
> will ensure that the studs and bolts are properly in place.
>
> Thanks again to all. This is a very helpful resource to have.
>
> Bob Fabie
> Fredericksburg, VA
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:13 PM Timothy Holbrook < tjh173@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> Something that is VERY important is ensuring you have got all of the
> correct bolts in place for the bell housing (that is, the bolts that hold
> the transmission to the engine) and you put the right bolts in the right
> holes. Several of the bolts are actually "locating pins". They are a
> specific diameter with a shoulder (none-threaded portion) and must go in
> the specific proper holes. These ensure proper alignment of the trans an=
d
> engine, and therefore also ensure proper alignment of the throwout bearin=
g
> and pressure plate. Cheap insurance - buy all new bolts so you know you'=
ve
> got the correct proper bolts, and spend time carefully ensuring you put t=
he
> right bolts in the right holes.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Holbrook
> 1971 TR6 (which went through 3 throwout bearings in 1999 when I was daily
> driving it)
>
>
> On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 06:35:58 PM EDT, rmf3860 rmf3860 <
> bobfabie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Fellow Enthusiasts,
>
> I know this is an old topic, but products and user experiences change ove=
r
> time, so in the midst of my engine/trans rebuild, I thought it best to ge=
t
> the group=E2=80=99s current collective wisdom.
>
> My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a Luk disc, pressure
> plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an indentation on the
> pressure plate fingers. There=E2=80=99s no more than 5,000 miles on the c=
lutch
> system.
>
> While idling with the clutch out, there was always a whine-which I believ=
e
> was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate=E2=80=99s straight=
fingers.
> The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden, not smooth.
>
> What are your experiences and recommendations?
>
> Thanks.
> Bob Fabie
> Fredericksburg, VA
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<div dir=3D"auto">Thank you, Tom. Very helpful information. Bet you=E2=80=
=99ll never forget changing that clutch in the parking lot!</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">By now, I=E2=80=99ve read =E2=80=9Cev=
ery=E2=80=9D technical article and every posting about TR6 clutches I could=
find on the web. It seems every combination of components has its down sid=
e-mostly involving the T/O bearing.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">With all due respect to the suggestions and comments to o=
f the group, I=E2=80=99m still undecided, but I am leaning toward the TRF p=
ackage. I also plan to speak with Moss=E2=80=99 technical advisors to see w=
hat they recommend.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">I wish you had some pictures of that parking lot clutch job. I=E2=80=99d =
love to see them.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks=
again.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Bob Fabie<=
/div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 1:30 PM Tom Walling <<a href=3D"mailto:pdqtr=
6@comcast.net">pdqtr6@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><u></u>
=20
=20
=20
<div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color=
:#333333">
<span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt">My only knowledge o=
f how TRF's Magic Clutch works on the car is from postings here on the =
lists. I do know that TRF has always been a strong advocate for quality abo=
ve price, and I feel that is really important when it comes to parts that a=
re a real pig to get at and change-out.=C2=A0</span>
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color=
:#333333">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color=
:#333333">
<span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt">My current clutch w=
as "cobbled together" from parts from TRF, World Parts (remember =
them? are they still around?) and a junk yard in Asheville NC. I was there =
for the 1994 VTR National and arrived on the "hook" of a tow truc=
k. I changed the clutch in the host hotel's parking lot in the heat bet=
ween the daily thunder storms. That's something I hope never to repeat!=
I have not had any further touble with it, but you never know. My next one=
will be a Magic Clutch from TRF.</span>
</div>=20
<blockquote type=3D"cite"></blockquote></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e">=20
<div>
On 06/18/2021 7:28 PM Robert Rochlin <<a href=3D"mailto:rrochlin@com=
cast.net" target=3D"_blank">rrochlin@comcast.net</a>> wrote:
</div>=20
<div>
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div>
=C2=A0
</div> =C2=A0My opinion is using a bronze bearing carrier is extremely i=
mportant to getting a smooth clutch action.=20
<div>
=C2=A0 How heavy the clutch action on TR6 is has been a repeated discus=
sion on the list.=C2=A0 Randell Young had a number of articles on TR6 clutc=
h research by TR6 enthusiasts. I=E2=80=99ve had many standard shift cars an=
d I can=E2=80=99t recall any having a heavier clutch action then the TR6 ev=
en many V8=E2=80=99s.=C2=A0 There is an internal =C2=A0hydraulic =C2=A0clut=
ch available for the TR6, but I don=E2=80=99t think the TRF magic clutch ki=
t utilizes it.
</div>=20
<div>
Best
</div>=20
<div>
=C2=A0Bob
</div>=20
<div>
72=E2=80=99 TR6
<br>
<br>=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">
Sent from my iPhone
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<br>=20
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
On Jun 18, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Greg Lemon <<a href=3D"mailto:grglmn@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">grglmn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>=20
</div>=20
<blockquote type=3D"cite">=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
I may be wrong, but I think the TRF Magic Clutch Kit has the slave c=
ylinder inside the bell housing.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't have one, have hea=
rd many say it is a good kit, and I am sure it is, but that particular feat=
ure gives me a little concern.=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
Greg Lemon
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
TR250
</div>=20
</div>=20
</div>=20
<br>=20
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">=20
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">
On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 4:11 PM rmf3860 rmf3860 <
<a href=3D"mailto:bobfabie@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_b=
lank">bobfabie@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
</div>=20
<blockquote>=20
<div>
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
Thanks to all who responded to my post, and a few follow up questi=
ons/comments:
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
BERRY PRICE: You installed a LUK clutch and stated, =E2=80=9C=E2=
=80=A6and its been trouble.=E2=80=9D Did you mean it=E2=80=99s been no trou=
ble?
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
TOM WALLING: I may be leaning toward the =E2=80=9CMagic Clutch Kit=
=E2=80=9D. Do they specify the brands of each component, or do you know fro=
m having installed the kit?
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
DICK TAYLOR: Would you recommend TRF=E2=80=99s kit, just their TO =
bearing, or some other combination?=C2=A0 Is this the bearing that requires=
a counter spring on the slave?
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
MARK BRADAKIS: Great story. Too bad you had to disassemble everyth=
ing a second time after hearing the crunching sounds. Do you recommend TRF =
kit or something else?
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
TIMOTHY HOLBROOK: Yes, I=E2=80=99m aware of the importance of prop=
er alignment and will ensure that the studs and bolts are properly in place=
.
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
Thanks again to all. This is a very helpful resource to have.
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
Bob Fabie
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
Fredericksburg, VA
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div>
<br>=20
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">=20
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">
On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:13 PM Timothy Holbrook <
<a href=3D"mailto:tjh173@yahoo.com"; rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_=
blank">tjh173@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:
</div>=20
<blockquote>=20
<div>=20
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erif;font-size:13px">=20
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=C2=A0
</div>=20
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Hi Bob,
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">
Something that is VERY important is ensuring you have got all=
of the correct bolts in place for the bell housing (that is, the bolts tha=
t hold the transmission to the engine) and you put the right bolts in the r=
ight holes.=C2=A0 Several of the bolts are actually "locating pins&quo=
t;. They are a specific diameter with a shoulder (none-threaded portion) an=
d must go in the specific proper holes.=C2=A0 These ensure proper alignment=
of the trans and engine, and therefore also ensure proper alignment of the=
throwout bearing and pressure plate.=C2=A0 Cheap insurance - buy all new b=
olts so you know you've got the correct proper bolts, and spend time ca=
refully ensuring you put the right bolts in the right holes.=C2=A0=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">
Regards,
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">
Tim Holbrook
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">
1971 TR6 (which went through 3 throwout bearings in 1999 when=
I was daily driving it)
</div>=20
<div>
=C2=A0
</div>=20
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<
<a href=3D"mailto:bobfabie@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noopener" targe=
t=3D"_blank">bobfabie@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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=C2=A0
</div>=20
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I know this is an old topic, but products and user experi=
ences change over time, so in the midst of my engine/trans rebuild, I thoug=
ht it best to get the group=E2=80=99s current collective wisdom.=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div>
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div>
My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a Luk di=
sc, pressure plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an indenta=
tion on the pressure plate fingers. There=E2=80=99s no more than 5,000 mile=
s on the clutch system.=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div>
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div>
While idling with the clutch out, there was always a whin=
e-which I believe was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate=E2=
=80=99s straight fingers. The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden=
, not smooth.=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div>
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div>
What are your experiences and recommendations?
</div>=20
<div>
=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div>
Thanks.=C2=A0
</div>=20
<div>
Bob Fabie
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Fredericksburg, VA
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