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21. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Dick Rasmussen <rasmussend@mindspring.com>; Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:29:07 -0500; When trying to solve this problem don't forget that the owner/driver of each car needs some reasonable way of proving to himself or herself that his or her car has not been modified beyond what is pe; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00066.html (9,646 bytes)
22. RE: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: "Eric Salem" <eric@mail.brown911.com>; Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:37:53 -0600; Heck, even in ES (which I'm obviously somewhat familier with), look around the grid. Just about guaranteed that everyone there with an MR2 has a $100+ set of Toyota manuals. How many are actually ne; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00067.html (9,105 bytes)
23. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Mark Andy <mark@sccaprepared.com>; Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:39:43 -0500 (EST); I think that's a red herring argument overall. First, there are alternate ways that a competitor might use. #1 would be to ask the mechanic (who _does_ have some sorta of manual) to tell you about a; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00068.html (11,775 bytes)
24. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Dick Rasmussen <rasmussend@mindspring.com>; Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:45:22 -0500; Mark, I'm not arguing. I'm raising issues for consideration so that those of you who are proposing solutions (I assume that you are constructively looking for solutions to the problem) consider and a; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00069.html (9,622 bytes)
25. RE: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Dick Rasmussen <rasmussend@mindspring.com>; Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:24:13 -0500; Must be all those looooong German words. Dick Rasmussen CM 85 85 Van Diemen FF; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00071.html (8,811 bytes)
26. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Scott Troyer - TestEng TMR DDR <stroyer@micron.com>; Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 16:58:27 -0700; Just curious, but does Alldata have the german cars in their database or is it mainly an american car database. When they pull things up on my car at the shop it is bringing up my service manual almo; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00074.html (9,132 bytes)
27. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Dick Rasmussen <rasmussend@mindspring.com>; Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:27:51 -0500; Scott, Check it out:-) http://www.alldatadiy.com/ From a quick look, they have recall and tsb listings for more cars than they have service data for. Note that the Alldata information for 2001 Mustan; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00075.html (9,292 bytes)
28. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@tri.net>; Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 19:59:28 -0600; It would fall to you ONLY if you put him through all that to prove himself If the bum is illegal as hell, you get all your bond back and the expense is his nickel. Which is how it has always been. If; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00078.html (16,675 bytes)
29. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Ghsharp@aol.com; Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:45:17 EST; But will a 4-figure bond amount to cover teardown AND documentation deter people from even filing a protest in the first place? How can you be certain that you're going to win the protest? We've seen; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00079.html (10,158 bytes)
30. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:48:42 EST; How do you figure this? If the flat rate to r&r a Spitfire cylinder head is 4 hours, and a fair shop rate is set at, let's say $75.00/hr, the labor portion of the teardown bond is $300.00. Why would; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00080.html (9,109 bytes)
31. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@tri.net>; Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:54:24 -0600; Great question! How about one really good example? Last year's Nationals. 1090 drivers. Not that many cars, of course, what with co-drivers, ladies classes, etc. Here's the protests: 1. Driver appar; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00081.html (12,505 bytes)
32. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: John Lieberman <jlieberman@sport.rr.com>; Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:00:05 -0600; This very thing happened at Nationals a few years ago, Dick. Larry and Chris Imbeau had their DP Spridget protested because it had an 11-stud (actually 10 studs and a bolt!) head. The protester claim; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00082.html (10,450 bytes)
33. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@tri.net>; Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:51:02 -0600; If you are wanting to look into MY competition-prepared engine not just any old engine, and you lose the protest, you pay what it costs to reassemble MY engine to its standard not the cost to reassem; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00083.html (11,142 bytes)
34. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Smokerbros@aol.com; Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 00:13:36 EST; So, if you are protested on something where just the head comes off, and it has to come off at the event in order to adjudicate the protest, what do we do? Fly in "your guy" at the protestor's expens; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00085.html (9,491 bytes)
35. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Yeoh Yiu <squid@panix.com>; Date: 05 Mar 2004 02:23:55 -0500; If various classes are close to spec classes, the manuals could easily be shared. Manuals could be shared amongst the class. Like one z06 book per model year to cover SS. Perhaps contingency-offering; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00086.html (10,142 bytes)
36. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: Sam & Greg Scharnberg <samandgreg@netins.net>; Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 08:12:43 -0600; "product of a more pricey builder."???? Who is this really????? Can't be Rocky! :-) Greg Scharnberg; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00087.html (9,237 bytes)
37. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@tri.net>; Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:41:03 -0600; For some it may deter, for some not. Depends on how deep the pockets are. BUT, the thing about including documentation cost in a protest bond does not mean the protestor has to buy the whole book (or; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00089.html (13,848 bytes)
38. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: John Lieberman <jlieberman@sport.rr.com>; Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 18:41:22 -0600; Thanks for the clarification, Rocky. At least I was about 90-percent correct!! 8<{) I should have known that, if anybody had the straight skinny on that protest, it would have been you. I just know t; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00090.html (10,197 bytes)
39. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@tri.net>; Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:50:50 -0600; I think you got it there, Charlie. Some stuff is simple off-and-on. Some is more complex. You never know from one to another. The real key is that you cannot disadvantage a competitor by forcing him; /html/autox/2004-03/msg00091.html (12,595 bytes)
40. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1): Author: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@tri.net>; Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:02:11 -0600; Yes, Greg, It is I. A few years ago I *finally* was able to buy a much better engine. No longer holding off last place. Now nipping at the heels of the faster guys (but not quite at the fastEST guys); /html/autox/2004-03/msg00092.html (9,900 bytes)

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