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Re: starter motor help needed

To: Robert McCurdy <rmccurdy@quicklink.com>
Subject: Re: starter motor help needed
From: Brian Evans <brian@uunet.ca>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:02:34 -0400
I think that F Ford is actually one of the cleaner classes when it comes to
displacement.  I think they tend to cheat (presuming that they ever do ;o))
with things like extra compression, a little extra cam timing, valve lift,
and so on.

My car is a class 5E sports racer, so I can run up to 2 litres.  VARAC runs
everybody together when we run as a regional class, so I was racing with
Gord's F Ford.

Brian


At 01:34 PM 6/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey all,
>
>Forgive my naiveté but do I infer from this posting that some/all of the
vintage
>Formula Fords running in vintage are over-bored?  I thought the class was
restricted
>to 1600 cc?
>
>Robert
>
>Brian Evans wrote:
>
>> >Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:51:38 -0400
>> >To: derek.lola@sympatico.ca
>> >From: Brian Evans <brian@uunet.ca>
>> >Subject: starter motor help needed
>> >
>> >Fantastic time!  We were at Shannonville at the weekend, I did a 1:17 on
>> the pro track and finished second overall, 6 seconds back from Gord Lowe's
>> Merlyn FFord.  I was very chuffed, to be sure!  But the starter motor quit
>> after three race sessions.
>> >
>> >So I'm running a big ford, just under 1.9 litres, and running up to 7000
>> rpm.  My theory is that the vibration beats up the solenoid. What is your
>> experience -  does the motor itself give problems usually, or can you fix it
>> by changing the solenoid?  What do the guys with BDD's do? Those have about
>> the same stroke as my motor (85mm bore by 82mm stroke).
>> >
>> >Brian
>> >
>> >At 05:41 PM 6/8/99 -0400, you wrote:
>> >>Brian
>> >>
>> >>9000 rpm engines beat the shit out of them - visit any big rig with
>> >>Atlantic or Chevron etc - they carry dozens of spares!
>> >>
>> >>But last weekend I had a bad battery and it spark eroded one of the
>> >>solenoid contacts - so it clicked but didn't contact.
>> >>
>> >>But 2m07 on Sunday made it all worthwhile!
>> >>
>> >>Derek
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Brian Evans wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm having trouble with my Hitachi starter too - what's wrong with yours?
>> >>>
>> >>> Brian
>> >>>
>> >>> At 12:17 PM 6/8/99 -0400, you wrote:
>> >>> >OK - I stand corrected - maybe I over reacted to JYS's comments because
>> >>> >I was in the middle of losing Friday's track sessions while I fixed my
>> >>> >Japanese starter [which replaced a perfectly functional and reliable
>> >>> >Lucas one].
>> >>> >
>> >>> >By the way he was a very eloquent, knowledgeable and interesting
>> >>> >speaker.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Derek
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Patrick Young wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Must say I agree wholeheartedly with David. Technology will find a
way...
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Not that JYS is being incorrect in what he says for now...but I
mean  all
>> >>> >> we're talking about is manpower. I mean starting pre war Auto Unions
>> takes
>> >>> >> as I recall a three hour routine (this was why one could not be
>> started at
>> >>> >> the Louis Vuitton Hurlingham Club concours a few years back because
>> by the
>> >>> >> time somebody read the regulations at lunchtime, it was already too
>> late for
>> >>> >> a 3 pm fire-up!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Oh, and David, I'll happily be one of your seven push starters,
>> assistants
>> >>> >> or whatever, if you can find the F1 car donor!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Regards,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Patrick
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> >> >Derek,
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >I'm nothing like as miserable about the future.  A couple of
years ago
>> >>> >> >people were saying that all the computerised gizmos on road cars
>> wouldn't
>> >>> >> be
>> >>> >> >repairable and all of todays 'future classics' would become inanimate
>> >>> >> >hulks.  Engine management systems are available off the shelf for
>> >>> >> motorsport
>> >>> >> >applications and can easily be mapped to replace standard equipment.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >In 10-20 years time the jobs of those seven people will be on the
>> chip.  If
>> >>> >> >the role is something like shovelling dry ice into the rad
intakes then
>> >>> >> >someone will have come up with a free standing chiller with a
valve into
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >> >cooling system like today we plug booster batteries in.  F1 is a
>> world of
>> >>> >> >tiny lead times.  Historic Motorsport is a world of almost infinite
>> >>> >> >reflection.  We'll think of a way.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >Then again - if I could get a ride in an F1 car I'd have no problem
>> finding
>> >>> >> >seven friends to give me a bump start!!
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >David
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >Derek Harling wrote:
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >> Quote from Jackie Stewart at this weekend's vintage races at The
>> Glen -
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>  - you guys better enjoy your current vintage racing because there
>> is no
>> >>> >> >> way you can expect to race today's F1 cars in, say, 10-20
years. For
>> >>> >> >> instance - it takes a team of seven just to start the engine.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> Brian Evans
>> >>> Director, Global Sales
>> >>> UUNET, An MCI WorldCom Company
>> >>
>> >
>> Brian Evans
>> Director, Global Sales
>> UUNET, An MCI WorldCom Company
>
>
Brian Evans
Director, Global Sales
UUNET, An MCI WorldCom Company


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