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Great story, Andrew! Thank wand Merry Christmas to all!!!
Dave
On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 8:58=E2=80=AFAM auprichard uprichard.net <
auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:
> On Christmas Eve I thought I'd share my Victoria Cross story. DISCLAIMER
> - it has a strong Christian theme. Don't open it if you are going to be
> offended.
>
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dave MacKay
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 7:19 PM
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Cc: johnbmacartney@gmx.com
> Subject: Re: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
>
> Jonmac:
>
> Tell us more about those amazing men. They deserve all praise.
>
> However, I think some of the particulars may be a little hazy. There were
> only 628 VCs awarded in WW1 and far fewer --- just 181 --- were awarded i=
n
> WW2. Only three men have ever won the VC twice: 2 were surgeons (Arthur
> Martin-Leake and Noel Chavasse) and one (Charles Hazlitt Upham) was a
> soldier from New Zealand.
> - Chavasse won his first VC during the Boer War. He was killed at
> Passchendaele during the action that won him his second VC.
> - Martin-Leake won the VC and Bar in WW1. He died in England in 1953.
> - Upham won his VC and Bar in WW2 and returned to NZ after the war.
>
> The men you met were undoubtedly heroes, but perhaps had not won such
> rarified medals.
>
> Best wishes to all.
>
> Dave MacKay
> 1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
> Near Toronto, Canada
>
> >Message: 14
> >Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:15:35 +0000
> >From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney@gmx.com>
> >To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com>
> >Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
> >Subject: Re: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
> >Message-ID: <F3A049BE-87D9-4F13-91A7-1BF15EBBA839@gmx.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8
> >
> >Jim, very many thanks for your kind words. The Sir John Black policy of
> recruiting vets affected all services, not just the RAF in isolation. We
> have in the UK an organisation called the Corps of Commissionaires. The
> Corps is made up of mostly Serjeants, Colour >Sergeants and Sergeants
> Major. They provide reception services to large companies as they have
> their own uniforms and they?re always incredibly smart. We had these men =
at
> all reception points throughout the company in the UK, and in accordance
> with >the John Black directive issued at the beginning of WW2, if any ex
> employee was later re-employed through honourable discharge, their
> retirement age would be when they wanted to leave and not at age 65.
>
> >We had three Commissionaires in key locations in Coventry and all of
> >them
> were in their late seventies. They were always scrupulously polite,
> immaculate in their uniforms and charming conversationalists. I used to
> talk to all of them as I was able and apart >from the pleasure of having =
a
> chat, it was an opportunity to study their medal ribbons. All three men h=
ad
> won the Victoria Cross, our highest award for bravery and the man who
> worked the Sales Block reception desk had won it twice! But between all o=
f
> >them, anyone with the knowledge of medal ribbons could see they proudly
> wore the Victoria Cross, the Mons Star, the Distinguished Service Order,
> the Gallipoli medal and the Military Cross, plus the various other genera=
l
> service and victory medals aka >Pipsqueak and Wilfred. All those men had
> done WW1 from start to finish in the desert, in Greece, at sea and the
> horrors of trench warfare in France and Belgium. They were always very
> quiet but never a day passed without a nod of the head,
> > a smile or a friendly greeting. The thing I remember about all of them
> was that even after a brief conversation on any subject, you parted
> company feeling better for having spoken to them. They were true gentleme=
n
> who had somehow survived the >nightmares of close quarter engagement on
> many occasions and amazingly had not been sent mad through what they had
> seen or done. Those are the people I remember and respect the most.
> >
> >Jonmac
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<div dir=3D"auto">Great story, Andrew! Thank wand Merry Christmas to all!!!=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div><div><br><div=
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 24=
, 2023 at 8:58=E2=80=AFAM auprichard <a href=3D"http://uprichard.net";>upric=
hard.net</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net";>auprichard@upr=
ichard.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Chris=
tmas Eve I thought I'd share my Victoria Cross story.=C2=A0 DISCLAIMER =
- it has a strong Christian theme.=C2=A0 Don't open it if you are going=
to be offended.<br>
<br>
Andrew Uprichard<br>
Jackson, Michigan<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of Dave MacK=
ay<br>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 7:19 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">triumphs@a=
utox.team.net</a><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com"; target=3D"_blank">johnbmacart=
ney@gmx.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Maybe the last lunch<br>
<br>
Jonmac:<br>
<br>
Tell us more about those amazing men. They deserve all praise.<br>
<br>
However, I think some of the particulars may be a little hazy. There were o=
nly 628 VCs awarded in WW1 and far fewer --- just 181 --- were awarded in W=
W2.=C2=A0 Only three men have ever won the VC twice: 2 were surgeons (Arthu=
r Martin-Leake and Noel Chavasse) and one (Charles Hazlitt Upham) was a sol=
dier from New Zealand.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0- Chavasse won his first VC during the Boer War. He was killed=
at Passchendaele during the action that won him his second VC.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0- Martin-Leake won the VC and Bar in WW1. He died in England i=
n 1953.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0- Upham won his VC and Bar in WW2 and returned to NZ after the=
war.<br>
<br>
The men you met were undoubtedly heroes, but perhaps had not won such rarif=
ied medals.<br>
<br>
Best wishes to all.<br>
<br>
Dave MacKay<br>
1960 TR3A s/n 68639L<br>
Near Toronto, Canada<br>
<br>
>Message: 14<br>
>Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:15:35 +0000<br>
>From: John Macartney <<a href=3D"mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">johnbmacartney@gmx.com</a>><br>
>To: Jim Henningsen <<a href=3D"mailto:trguy75@gmail.com"; target=3D"_=
blank">trguy75@gmail.com</a>><br>
>Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">triump=
hs@autox.team.net</a><br>
>Subject: Re: [TR] Maybe the last lunch<br>
>Message-ID: <<a href=3D"mailto:F3A049BE-87D9-4F13-91A7-1BF15EBBA839@=
gmx.com" target=3D"_blank">F3A049BE-87D9-4F13-91A7-1BF15EBBA839@gmx.com</a>=
><br>
>Content-Type: text/plain;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 charset=3Dutf-8<br>
><br>
>Jim, very many thanks for your kind words. The Sir John Black policy of=
<br>
recruiting vets affected all services, not just the RAF in isolation. We ha=
ve in the UK an organisation called the Corps of Commissionaires. The Corps=
is made up of mostly Serjeants, Colour >Sergeants and Sergeants Major. =
They provide reception services to large companies as they have their own u=
niforms and they?re always incredibly smart. We had these men at all recept=
ion points throughout the company in the UK, and in accordance with >the=
John Black directive issued at the beginning of WW2, if any ex employee wa=
s later re-employed through honourable discharge, their retirement age woul=
d be when they wanted to leave and not at age 65.<br>
<br>
>We had three Commissionaires in key locations in Coventry and all of <b=
r>
>them<br>
were in their late seventies. They were always scrupulously polite, immacul=
ate in their uniforms and charming conversationalists. I used to talk to al=
l of them as I was able and apart >from the pleasure of having a chat, i=
t was an opportunity to study their medal ribbons. All three men had won th=
e Victoria Cross, our highest award for bravery and the man who worked the =
Sales Block reception desk had won it twice! But between all of<br>
>them, anyone with the knowledge of medal ribbons could see they proudly=
<br>
wore the Victoria Cross, the Mons Star, the Distinguished Service Order, th=
e Gallipoli medal and the Military Cross, plus the various other general se=
rvice and victory medals aka >Pipsqueak and Wilfred. All those men had d=
one WW1 from start to finish in the desert, in Greece, at sea and the horro=
rs of trench warfare in France and Belgium. They were always very quiet but=
never a day passed without a nod of the head,<br>
> a smile or a friendly greeting. The thing I remember about all of them=
<br>
was that even after a brief conversation on any subject, you parted company=
feeling better for having spoken to them. They were true gentlemen who had=
somehow survived the >nightmares of close quarter engagement on many oc=
casions and amazingly had not been sent mad through what they had seen or d=
one. Those are the people I remember and respect the most.<br>
><br>
>Jonmac<br>
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