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Re: [TR] Rear Brake Noise

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Subject: Re: [TR] Rear Brake Noise
From: Chris Kantarjiev <cak@dimebank.com>
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2022 19:37:47 -0700
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Clunks from the rear when braking should always leave you suspicious of the U 
joints and possibly the diff mounts.

On November 5, 2022 11:00:03 AM PDT, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote:
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>   1. Re: LED headlight conversion (Christopher A Kantarjiev)
>   2. Re: LED headlight conversion (Allan Stults)
>   3. Re: LED headlight conversion (DAVID MASSEY)
>   4. Re: LED headlight conversion (auprichard uprichard.net)
>   5. Rear Brake Noise (Rochlin Robert)
>   6. Re: Rear Brake Noise (Jeff Scarbrough)
>   7. Re: Rear Brake Noise (jerryvvtr4a@gmail.com)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 11:38:43 -0700
>From: Christopher A Kantarjiev <cak@dimebank.com>
>To: triumphs@autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [TR] LED headlight conversion
>Message-ID: <1819a9d6-6059-c3bb-b7cd-46e7511c5b8b@dimebank.com>
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>I recently dug through the current offerings in this space, and decided 
>to put in the "Holley Retrobright" sealed beam LED units, made by 
>Morimoto. They're ... not cheap, but I liked the idea of fitting an 
>entire unit rather than worrying about the alignment and heat issues 
>associated with LED capsules in H4 housings.
>
>Also, I was replacing sealed halogens, not an H4, so I would have had 
>the expense of decent E-code housings anyway.
>
>I couldn't be happier with how they went in and how they work. No fan. 
>Big heat sinks on the housing. Easy/direct electrical connection. I 
>opted for "modern white" but you can get "old skool yellowish white" too :-)
>
>https://www.theretrofitsource.com/Sealed-Beam-Holley-RetroBright-LED-Headlights-7-Round_6
>
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2022 12:55:09 -0700
>From: "Allan Stults" <acstults@hushmail.com>
>To: "Christopher A Kantarjiev" <cak@dimebank.com>,
>       triumphs@autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [TR] LED headlight conversion
>Message-ID: <20221104195509.502FC80E2DD@smtp.hushmail.com>
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>I like what I read about these lights.  Does positive/negative ground
>have any bearing here?  My '62 TR 3 still has positive ground and I
>have no intention of changing that.
>
>Allan
>
>On 11/4/2022 at 11:56 AM, "Christopher A Kantarjiev"  wrote:I recently
>dug through the current offerings in this space, and decided 
>to put in the "Holley Retrobright" sealed beam LED units, made by 
>Morimoto. They're ... not cheap, but I liked the idea of fitting an 
>entire unit rather than worrying about the alignment and heat issues 
>associated with LED capsules in H4 housings.
>
>Also, I was replacing sealed halogens, not an H4, so I would have had 
>the expense of decent E-code housings anyway.
>
>I couldn't be happier with how they went in and how they work. No fan.
>
>Big heat sinks on the housing. Easy/direct electrical connection. I 
>opted for "modern white" but you can get "old skool yellowish white"
>too :-)
>
>https://www.theretrofitsource.com/Sealed-Beam-Holley-RetroBright-LED-Headlights-7-Round_6
>
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>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 20:25:20 +0000 (UTC)
>From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
>To: "cak@dimebank.com" <cak@dimebank.com>,  "triumphs@autox.team.net"
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>Subject: Re: [TR] LED headlight conversion
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> This guy evaluated a bunch of after market LED headlights and raved about the 
> Holley.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekMpdKfLlMQ
>
> 
>Dave 
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher A Kantarjiev <cak@dimebank.com>
>To: triumphs@autox.team.net
>Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2022 1:38 pm
>Subject: Re: [TR] LED headlight conversion
>
>I recently dug through the current offerings in this space, and decided 
>to put in the "Holley Retrobright" sealed beam LED units, made by 
>Morimoto. They're ... not cheap, but I liked the idea of fitting an 
>entire unit rather than worrying about the alignment and heat issues 
>associated with LED capsules in H4 housings.
>
>Also, I was replacing sealed halogens, not an H4, so I would have had 
>the expense of decent E-code housings anyway.
>
>I couldn't be happier with how they went in and how they work. No fan. 
>Big heat sinks on the housing. Easy/direct electrical connection. I 
>opted for "modern white" but you can get "old skool yellowish white" too :-)
>
>https://www.theretrofitsource.com/Sealed-Beam-Holley-RetroBright-LED-Headlights-7-Round_6
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>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 20:46:53 +0000
>From: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard@uprichard.net>
>To: Allan Stults <acstults@hushmail.com>, Christopher A Kantarjiev
>       <cak@dimebank.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.net"
>       <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [TR] LED headlight conversion
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>It does have a bearing. There is some chance that the ballasts provide for 
>reverse polarity, but it doesn't seem very likely to me.  For positive ground, 
>you would need to use relays and make some wiring changes.  It would be easier 
>to reverse the polarity on the car ? a 5 minute job.
>
>Andrew
>
>From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Stults
>Sent: Friday, November 4, 2022 3:55 PM
>To: Christopher A Kantarjiev <cak@dimebank.com>; triumphs@autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [TR] LED headlight conversion
>
>I like what I read about these lights.  Does positive/negative ground have any 
>bearing here?  My '62 TR 3 still has positive ground and I have no intention 
>of changing that.
>
>Allan
>
>I recently dug through the current offerings in this space, and decided
>to put in the "Holley Retrobright" sealed beam LED units, made by
>Morimoto. They're ... not cheap, but I liked the idea of fitting an
>entire unit rather than worrying about the alignment and heat issues
>associated with LED capsules in H4 housings.
>
>Also, I was replacing sealed halogens, not an H4, so I would have had
>the expense of decent E-code housings anyway.
>
>I couldn't be happier with how they went in and how they work. No fan.
>Big heat sinks on the housing. Easy/direct electrical connection. I
>opted for "modern white" but you can get "old skool yellowish white" too :-)
>
>https://www.theretrofitsource.com/Sealed-Beam-Holley-RetroBright-LED-Headlights-7-Round_6
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 17:46:08 -0400
>From: Rochlin Robert <rrochlin@comcast.net>
>To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>, TR3 Triumphs
>       <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>Subject: [TR] Rear Brake Noise
>Message-ID: <51FA8D9A-7A64-4016-BE79-9ADE60017660@comcast.net>
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>Hi List,
>       I?m getting the weeds with the rear brakes of my TR6.  When I lightly 
> apply the brakes I get metallic clunk.   If I repeatedly apply the brakes 
> lightly the clunk gets more pronounced. I?ve carefully R and R'd them 
> including new shoes.  The brakes are also well adjusted. My thought is that 
> the noise is the brake piston engaging the shoe on the ?fixed side? of the 
> brake piston.  It may have been there before I noticed it, but now that I 
> notice it I?m thinking there may be some way to eliminate the noise I?ve not 
> come to yet. It also may be that, as we said back in the day at Rocky?s 
> Service Station ? don?t worry about it, they all do that??  Other than that 
> the car has been great driving this summer. After much looking I wasn?t able 
> to find a tire shop that could properly balance my wires, but one shop got 
> them close enough to enjoy the car.  The hub on the drive wheel was worn and 
> when I went to one chain tire store to swap over the new spare for the worn 
> tire I was told that company
>  policy was they would not mount / dismount a tire more than 5 years old - 
> never heard that one before. Back at Rocky?s we?d work on anything.
>       I hope you all have some happy Fall motoring.  Yikes, daylight savings 
> ends tonight.  I have to read Chris?s headlight post again.
>       Best,
>       Bob
>
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>
>Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 20:02:29 -0400
>From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
>To: Rochlin Robert <rrochlin@comcast.net>
>Cc: Triumph 6 Pack <6pack@autox.team.net>, TR3 Triumphs
>       <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [TR] Rear Brake Noise
>Message-ID:
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>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>U joints OK?  Splined half shafts lubricated and in good shape?
>
>Might not be the brakes.  Today's ignition failure turned out to be a fuel
>pump that lasted 9 miles.
>
>On Fri, Nov 4, 2022, 18:00 Rochlin Robert <rrochlin@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi List,
>>         I?m getting the weeds with the rear brakes of my TR6.  When I
>> lightly apply the brakes I get metallic clunk.   If I repeatedly apply the
>> brakes lightly the clunk gets more pronounced. I?ve carefully R and R'd
>> them including new shoes.  The brakes are also well adjusted. My thought is
>> that the noise is the brake piston engaging the shoe on the ?fixed side? of
>> the brake piston.  It may have been there before I noticed it, but now that
>> I notice it I?m thinking there may be some way to eliminate the noise I?ve
>> not come to yet. It also may be that, as we said back in the day at Rocky?s
>> Service Station ? don?t worry about it, they all do that??  Other than that
>> the car has been great driving this summer. After much looking I wasn?t
>> able to find a tire shop that could properly balance my wires, but one shop
>> got them close enough to enjoy the car.  The hub on the drive wheel was
>> worn and when I went to one chain tire store to swap over the new spare for
>> the worn tire I was told that company policy was they would not mount /
>> dismount a tire more than 5 years old - never heard that one before. Back
>> at Rocky?s we?d work on anything.
>>         I hope you all have some happy Fall motoring.  Yikes, daylight
>> savings ends tonight.  I have to read Chris?s headlight post again.
>>         Best,
>>         Bob
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>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 21:28:32 -0400
>From: <jerryvvtr4a@gmail.com>
>To: "'Jeff Scarbrough'" <fishplate@gmail.com>, "'Rochlin Robert'"
>       <rrochlin@comcast.net>
>Cc: "'TR3 Triumphs'" <triumphs@autox.team.net>, "'Triumph 6 Pack'"
>       <6pack@autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [TR] Rear Brake Noise
>Message-ID: <044501d8f0b5$eb099450$c11cbcf0$@gmail.com>
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>Could also be the splined hubs and wire wheels are worn.
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jeff Scarbrough
>Sent: Friday, November 4, 2022 8:02 PM
>To: Rochlin Robert <rrochlin@comcast.net>
>Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>; Triumph 6 Pack 
><6pack@autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [TR] Rear Brake Noise
>
> 
>
>U joints OK?  Splined half shafts lubricated and in good shape?
>
> 
>
>Might not be the brakes.  Today's ignition failure turned out to be a fuel 
>pump that lasted 9 miles.  
>
> 
>
>
>Hi List,
>        I?m getting the weeds with the rear brakes of my TR6.  When I lightly 
> apply the brakes I get metallic clunk.   If I repeatedly apply the brakes 
> lightly the clunk gets more pronounced. I?ve carefully R and R'd them 
> including new shoes.  The brakes are also well adjusted. My thought is that 
> the noise is the brake piston engaging the shoe on the ?fixed side? of the 
> brake piston.  It may have been there before I noticed it, but now that I 
> notice it I?m thinking there may be some way to eliminate the noise I?ve not 
> come to yet. It also may be that, as we said back in the day at Rocky?s 
> Service Station ? don?t worry about it, they all do that??  Other than that 
> the car has been great driving this summer. After much looking I wasn?t able 
> to find a tire shop that could properly balance my wires, but one shop got 
> them close enough to enjoy the car.  The hub on the drive wheel was worn and 
> when I went to one chain tire store to swap over the new spare for the worn 
> tire I was told that 
> company policy was they would not mount / dismount a tire more than 5 years 
> old - never heard that one before. Back at Rocky?s we?d work on anything.
>        I hope you all have some happy Fall motoring.  Yikes, daylight savings 
> ends tonight.  I have to read Chris?s headlight post again.
>        Best,
>        Bob
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