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I've noticed that some newer cars have omitted the nuts in some applicatio=
ns.=C2=A0 Now, I'm not a mechanical engineer (electrical, though) but I thi=
nk that it was a lot more than just leaving out the washer.=C2=A0 The clamp=
ing surface must be properly machined and often oversized nuts are used.=C2=
=A0 Just leaving out the washers on an assembly that was designed to use th=
em can be problematic.
As for pushing a washer around the lub bay with your nose, I suspect your s=
upervisor was ex-military.=C2=A0 That sounds a lot like the tales told by a=
rmy vets the world round.=C2=A0 Some guys take special glee in humiliating =
subordinates.
Good to hear from your again.
=20
Dave=20
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney@gmx.com>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, May 11, 2022 5:55 pm
Subject: [TR] Why
Jonmac is in grumpy old git mode today!
Took the dog for a shorter walk today because of the rain. This meant me on=
my mobility scooter with dog alongside, traversing a nearby industrial est=
ate where there=E2=80=99s a car body shop specialising in repainting and lo=
ts of difficult sheet metal stuff. I know them all quite well and the dogs =
always welcome, so I=E2=80=99m allowed inside to see what they=E2=80=99re d=
oing and having a chat. Today a trainee was reassembling a cylinder head on=
a Repainted Herald and I was horrified to see the lack of washers under th=
e head nuts. I didn=E2=80=99t say anything but it annoyed me. For a start, =
it flew fully in the face of my training years ago. When fitting hardware, =
you always always always fitted a washer under the bolt head and another wa=
sher under the nut. These days when I watch TV of some bloke fitting someth=
ing to something else, the use of washers is minimal to non existent. Why? =
I made that mistake of not using a washer once a long time ago at Jaguar wh=
en I was doing my Service Dept training and my omission was noted by the Se=
nior Foreman who was a stickler for doing things right every time, all the =
time. My punishment? A missed lunch break because it was spent on all fours=
pushing a one inch diameter plain washer round the lube bay floor with my =
nose - twice! The first lap was because of what I didn=E2=80=99t do and the=
second was so I=E2=80=99d never forget. That=E2=80=99s how it was in the U=
.K. in those days and there was nothing illegal in humiliating someone at w=
ork and if I=E2=80=99d refused, there would have been a disciplinary. I thi=
nk that if the trainee I saw not doing his job today was told to do what I =
did sixty years ago, he=E2=80=99d have his employer in court for damages an=
d unreasonable workplace treatment! It=E2=80=99s these know-all jerks on TV=
like the Top Gear mob, Clarkson, Hammond, Mike Brewer and a few others doi=
ng it wrong, that is teaching youngsters that sloppy work is perfectly acce=
ptable.
Now going back to my hole in the ground where there are fresh leaves, clean=
moss and an interesting Single Malt awaiting my enjoyment.
JM
Lady Astor: =E2=80=9CWinston, if you were my husband, I would poison your c=
offee.=E2=80=9D
Churchill: =E2=80=9C Madam, if I was your husband,, I=E2=80=99d drink it!=
=E2=80=9D
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<div> <font size=3D"3">I've noticed that some newer cars have omitted the n=
uts in some applications. Now, I'm not a mechanical engineer (electri=
cal, though) but I think that it was a lot more than just leaving out the w=
asher. The clamping surface must be properly machined and often overs=
ized nuts are used. Just leaving out the washers on an assembly that =
was designed to use them can be problematic.</font></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><font size=3D"3">As for pushing a washer around the lub bay with your =
nose, I suspect your supervisor was ex-military. That sounds a lot li=
ke the tales told by army vets the world round. Some guys take specia=
l glee in humiliating subordinates.</font></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><font size=3D"3">Good to hear from your again.</font><br>
</div>
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</div>
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<div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br>
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size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney@gmx.com><br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Sent: Wed, May 11, 2022 5:55 pm<br>
Subject: [TR] Why<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Jonmac is in grumpy old git mode today!<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Took the dog for a shorter walk today because of the rain.=
This meant me on my mobility scooter with dog alongside, traversing a near=
by industrial estate where there=E2=80=99s a car body shop specialising in =
repainting and lots of difficult sheet metal stuff. I know them all quite w=
ell and the dogs always welcome, so I=E2=80=99m allowed inside to see what =
they=E2=80=99re doing and having a chat. Today a trainee was reassembling a=
cylinder head on a Repainted Herald and I was horrified to see the lack of=
washers under the head nuts. I didn=E2=80=99t say anything but it annoyed =
me. For a start, it flew fully in the face of my training years ago. When f=
itting hardware, you always always always fitted a washer under the bolt he=
ad and another washer under the nut. These days when I watch TV of some blo=
ke fitting something to something else, the use of washers is minimal to no=
n existent. Why? I made that mistake of not using a washer once a long time=
ago at Jaguar when I was doing my Service Dept training and my omission wa=
s noted by the Senior Foreman who was a stickler for doing things right eve=
ry time, all the time. My punishment? A missed lunch break because it was s=
pent on all fours pushing a one inch diameter plain washer round the lube b=
ay floor with my nose - twice! The first lap was because of what I didn=E2=
=80=99t do and the second was so I=E2=80=99d never forget. That=E2=80=99s h=
ow it was in the U.K. in those days and there was nothing illegal in humili=
ating someone at work and if I=E2=80=99d refused, there would have been a d=
isciplinary. I think that if the trainee I saw not doing his job today was =
told to do what I did sixty years ago, he=E2=80=99d have his employer in co=
urt for damages and unreasonable workplace treatment! It=E2=80=99s these kn=
ow-all jerks on TV like the Top Gear mob, Clarkson, Hammond, Mike Brewer an=
d a few others doing it wrong, that is teaching youngsters that sloppy work=
is perfectly acceptable.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Now going back to my hole in the ground where there are fr=
esh leaves, clean moss and an interesting Single Malt awaiting my enjoyment=
.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">JM<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Lady Astor: =E2=80=9CWinston, if you were my husband, I wo=
uld poison your coffee.=E2=80=9D<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Churchill: =E2=80=9C Madam, if I was your husband,, I=E2=
=80=99d drink it!=E2=80=9D<br>
</div>
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