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On some rear shocker conversions to the IRS, the shocker mounting bracket i=
s bolted to the car=E2=80=99s body as well as to the mounting points for th=
e original lever arm shocks. This might account for the ride height.Graham
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On Wednesday, March 24, 2021, 5:49 pm, Brian K <bk13@earthlink.net> wrote:
Simple test on the rear shock conversion - disconnect one end of the shock =
and slide it out of the way. Roll the car a little with the shock out of th=
e way then measure again. Don't drive this way.
Like other replies, I would not expect the tube shocks to provide lift.
Brian
On Mar 24, 2021 4:37 AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com> wrote:
Great thoughts and much appreciated.=C2=A0 I believe the higher rear height=
is from the steel brackets used in the tube shock conversion kit, but I co=
uld be wrong.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Let me drive it some more and get it loosened up =
and then measure again and also include measuring floor to frame on each co=
rner.=C2=A0 I need to do something as it doesn=E2=80=99t quite look right v=
isually either and a TR has to look right when it sits.=C2=A0 In my opinion=
.=C2=A0 Thanks
Jim
> On Mar 23, 2021, at 9:17 PM, Michael Marr <mmarr@albiontechnical.com> wro=
te:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFAnother thought.=C2=A0 On my TR3A, there is a spacer on one of t=
he rear springs that, effectively, increases the unloaded ride height on th=
e driver's side to account for the fact that the car is driven driver-only =
most of the time.=C2=A0 Does the same situation exist with the 4A?=C2=A0 Is=
one rear spring longer than the other to provide the ride height differenc=
e?=C2=A0 Have you tried measuring the ride height with someone (an adult, p=
referably) in the driver's seat?
>=20
> Mike
>=20
> Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
> Albion Technical Services
> W5918 Hackbarth Rd
> Fort Atkinson, WI 53538
>=20
> Cell:=C2=A0 630-202-0065
> Email:=C2=A0 mmarr@albiontechnical.com
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Mar=
r
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 8:03 PM
> To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com>; triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
>=20
> Have you driven the car?=C2=A0 A few road miles will help the suspension =
settle.=C2=A0 There's a lot of "stiction" in those new components.
>=20
> Also, I agree with Jim Kirby - the new shocks will not affect ride height=
, unless, for some reason, they have bottomed out and are bound up.
>=20
> Mike
>=20
> Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
> Albion Technical Services
> W5918 Hackbarth Rd
> Fort Atkinson, WI 53538
>=20
> Cell:=C2=A0 630-202-0065
> Email:=C2=A0 mmarr@albiontechnical.com
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henning=
sen
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 7:06 PM
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
>=20
> Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
> Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends=
, trunnions, etc.=C2=A0 New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new s=
tock tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock convers=
ion brackets for the IRS.=C2=A0 Reinstalled all alignment shims as installe=
d as the car drove pretty straight.=C2=A0 Urethane packings on springs.=20
>=20
> After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly differe=
nt ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at c=
enter of each wheel.=C2=A0 Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4, =
Left
> rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.=C2=A0 I think the higher rear height is=
coming
> from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 So about
> a half inch off each side.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I don't recall having this issue w=
hen I redid
> my TR6, but that was a while ago.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Rears also have stock trail=
ing arm
> brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are ori=
ginal from new given history of the car).=C2=A0=20
>=20
> Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.=C2=
=A0 Will alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch s=
pacers on lower sides.=C2=A0 I am going to put uprated valved levers back o=
n rear to eliminate the extra height in rear.=C2=A0=20
>=20
> Any help appreciated.=C2=A0=C2=A0=20
>=20
> Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> Too many TRs to maintain!
> 61 3A
> 62 4
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On some rear shocker conversions to the IRS, the shocker mounting bracket i=
s bolted to the car=E2=80=99s body as well as to the mounting points for th=
e original lever arm shocks. This might account for the ride height.<div>Gr=
aham<br><br><br><a href=3D"https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-wea=
ther-video/id646100661">Sent from the all-new AOL app for iOS</a><br><br><p=
class=3D"yahoo-quoted-begin" style=3D"font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; pad=
ding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Wednesday, March 24, 2021, 5:49 pm, Brian=
K <bk13@earthlink.net> wrote:</p><blockquote class=3D"iosymail"><div=
id=3D"yiv7144059350"><div><div>Simple test on the rear shock conversion - =
disconnect one end of the shock and slide it out of the way. Roll the car a=
little with the shock out of the way then measure again. Don't drive this =
way.<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Like other replies, I would not expe=
ct the tube shocks to provide lift.<br clear=3D"none"><div><br clear=3D"non=
e"></div><div>Brian</div></div></div><div class=3D"yiv7144059350gmail_extra=
"><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv7144059350yqt9249108226" id=3D"yiv714=
4059350yqtfd30474"><div class=3D"yiv7144059350gmail_quote">On Mar 24, 2021 =
4:37 AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">=
<blockquote class=3D"yiv7144059350quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p dir=3D"ltr">Great thoughts and mu=
ch appreciated. I believe the higher rear height is from the steel br=
ackets used in the tube shock conversion kit, but I could be wrong. &n=
bsp; Let me drive it some more and get it loosened up and then measure agai=
n and also include measuring floor to frame on each corner. I need to=
do something as it doesn=E2=80=99t quite look right visually either and a =
TR has to look right when it sits. In my opinion. Thanks<br cle=
ar=3D"none">
Jim<br clear=3D"none"></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">> On Mar 23, 2021, at 9:17 PM, Michael Marr <mmarr@alb=
iontechnical.com> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> =EF=BB=BFAnother thought. On my TR3A, there is a spacer on one o=
f the rear springs that, effectively, increases the unloaded ride height on=
the driver's side to account for the fact that the car is driven driver-on=
ly most of the time. Does the same situation exist with the 4A? =
Is one rear spring longer than the other to provide the ride height differ=
ence? Have you tried measuring the ride height with someone (an adult=
, preferably) in the driver's seat?<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Mike<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.<br clear=3D"none">
> Albion Technical Services<br clear=3D"none">
> W5918 Hackbarth Rd<br clear=3D"none">
> Fort Atkinson, WI 53538<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Cell: 630-202-0065<br clear=3D"none">
> Email: mmarr@albiontechnical.com<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> -----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mi=
chael Marr<br clear=3D"none">
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 8:03 PM<br clear=3D"none">
> To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com>; triumphs@autox.team.net<=
br clear=3D"none">
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Have you driven the car? A few road miles will help the suspensi=
on settle. There's a lot of "stiction" in those new components.<br cl=
ear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Also, I agree with Jim Kirby - the new shocks will not affect ride hei=
ght, unless, for some reason, they have bottomed out and are bound up.<br c=
lear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Mike<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.<br clear=3D"none">
> Albion Technical Services<br clear=3D"none">
> W5918 Hackbarth Rd<br clear=3D"none">
> Fort Atkinson, WI 53538<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Cell: 630-202-0065<br clear=3D"none">
> Email: mmarr@albiontechnical.com<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> -----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ji=
m Henningsen<br clear=3D"none">
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 7:06 PM<br clear=3D"none">
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br clear=3D"none">
> Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.<b=
r clear=3D"none">
> Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod e=
nds, trunnions, etc. New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, ne=
w stock tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conv=
ersion brackets for the IRS. Reinstalled all alignment shims as insta=
lled as the car drove pretty straight. Urethane packings on springs. =
<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly diff=
erent ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip a=
t center of each wheel. Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/=
4, Left<br clear=3D"none">
> rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8. I think the higher rear height=
is coming<br clear=3D"none">
> from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers. &=
nbsp; So about<br clear=3D"none">
> a half inch off each side. I don't recall having this issu=
e when I redid<br clear=3D"none">
> my TR6, but that was a while ago. Rears also have stock tr=
ailing arm<br clear=3D"none">
> brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are =
original from new given history of the car). <br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.=
Will alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inc=
h spacers on lower sides. I am going to put uprated valved levers bac=
k on rear to eliminate the extra height in rear. <br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Any help appreciated. <br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Thanks<br clear=3D"none">
> Jim Henningsen<br clear=3D"none">
> Ocala FL<br clear=3D"none">
> Too many TRs to maintain!<br clear=3D"none">
> 61 3A<br clear=3D"none">
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