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Bob,=20
You get to subtract your costs from revenue to get net income, so you =
would not have to pay taxes in your examples. Under certain =
circumstances, you might even be able to claim a loss.
A different Bob
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From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 1:32 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] eBay
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I fail to understand how you can owe taxes on something you already paid =
for with income left over after paying fed and state income taxes. For =
example: Say I have some NOS oil filters that I picked up from TRF years =
ago but decided to sell the car and I no longer need them. So I decide =
to sell them for whatever I can get. How is paying say 10$ for the =
original filter and then selling it for 5$ income?
Earlier in the Fall I sold a few tools I will never use again because my =
restoration days are over. They went for about 25% of their current =
value.=20
Also; say you sell a used car in a private deal. How can that be income? =
I sold a motor cycle and a used car a few years ago. The buyer has to =
pay sales tax when they registered them but this is not income.
Bob
On 1/31/21 3:26 PM, Thomas FitzGibbon wrote:
"Fisrt off it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS number for =
ident."=20
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If I am not mistaken, ebay is NOT requiring SSNs as a form of =
identification. I believe I read an article recently that says the IRS =
is cracking down on them and requiring them to report on transactions so =
the IRS can assess taxes that are due (much like when a company sends a =
form 1099 to contract workers). That does require a SSN or other TIN be =
provided.=20
<dave@ranteer.com> wrote:=20
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Its for sellers, not buyers. But they are eliminating paypal as an =
option
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<triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 9:59 AM
Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] eBay
=20
Yes I agree, something isn=E2=80=99t right here. eBay is not going to =
ask for a SSN number to buy something any more than the local grocery =
store. =20
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Rye
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On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:46 AM, John Linney <john@linneyweb.com> wrote:
=20
The SSN is only needed if you are setup as a seller so they can report =
income as required by the IRS. It=E2=80=99s no different to becoming an =
Amazon seller. The SSN is provided on a government W9 form. Any other =
reason or form of request may be a phishing scam.
=20
=20
On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:26 AM, Paul Tegler <ptegler@verizon.net> wrote:
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=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDhadn't heard that yet.
Fisrt off it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS number for =
ident. Even hospitals etc can not legally require you supply that info.
BTDT=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD way too many times. Your SS is NOT ana 'national =
ident' number. Bt Fed law it is ONLY a SS usage =
number.=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD I work for DoD and they even changed over a =
couple years back from using your SS to having full up employee numbers. =
ptegler
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On 1/31/2021 5:37 AM, dave wrote:
eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security =
number.=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD i'm done.
=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD
what other avenues are available for buying and selling?
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bob, <o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>You get to subtract your costs from revenue to get net income, so you =
would not have to pay taxes in your examples. Under certain =
circumstances, you might even be able to claim a =
loss.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>A different Bob<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Bob<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 31, 2021 1:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
triumphs@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] =
eBay<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>I fail to understand how you =
can owe taxes on something you already paid for with income left over =
after paying fed and state income taxes. For example: Say I have some =
NOS oil filters that I picked up from TRF years ago but decided to sell =
the car and I no longer need them. So I decide to sell them for whatever =
I can get. How is paying say 10$ for the original filter and then =
selling it for 5$ income?<o:p></o:p></p><p>Earlier in the Fall I sold a =
few tools I will never use again because my restoration days are over. =
They went for about 25% of their current =
value. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Also; say you sell a used car in a private =
deal. How can that be income? I sold a motor cycle and a used car a few =
years ago. The buyer has to pay sales tax when they registered them but =
this is not income.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Bob<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 1/31/21 3:26 PM, Thomas FitzGibbon =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>"Fisrt =
off it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS number for =
ident." <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>If I am not =
mistaken, ebay is NOT requiring SSNs as a form of identification. =
I believe I read an article recently that says the IRS is cracking down =
on them and requiring them to report on transactions so the IRS can =
assess taxes that are due (much like when a company sends a form 1099 to =
contract workers). That does require a SSN or other TIN be =
provided. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 01/31/2021 12:35 PM dave <a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";><dave@ranteer.com></a> wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Its for =
sellers, not buyers. But they are eliminating paypal as an =
option<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong>From=
:</strong> Triumphs <a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";><triumphs-bounces@auto=
x.team.net></a> <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Rye =
Livingston<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Sunday, January 31, 2021 9:59 =
AM<br><strong>To:</strong> John Linney <a =
href=3D"mailto:john@linneyweb.com";><john@linneyweb.com></a><br><str=
ong>Cc:</strong> <a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><s=
trong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] eBay<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Yes I =
agree, something isn=E2=80=99t right here. eBay is not going to =
ask for a SSN number to buy something any more than the local grocery =
store. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Rye<o:p></o:=
p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p><=
/p><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Jan 31, =
2021, at 7:46 AM, John Linney <<a =
href=3D"mailto:john@linneyweb.com";>john@linneyweb.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>The SSN =
is only needed if you are setup as a seller so they can report income as =
required by the IRS. It=E2=80=99s no different to becoming an Amazon =
seller. The SSN is provided on a government W9 form. Any other reason or =
form of request may be a phishing =
scam.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'> </sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'> </sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>On Jan =
31, 2021, at 7:26 AM, Paul Tegler <<a =
href=3D"mailto:ptegler@verizon.net";>ptegler@verizon.net</a>> =
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>=C3=AF=C2=BF=
=C2=BDhadn't heard that yet.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Fisrt off =
it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS number for ident. Even =
hospitals etc can not legally require you supply that =
info.<br>BTDT=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD way too many times. Your SS is NOT ana =
'national ident' number. Bt Fed law it is ONLY a SS usage =
number.=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD I work for DoD and they even changed over a =
couple years back from using your SS to having full up employee =
numbers.<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>ptegler</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'> </sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>On =
1/31/2021 5:37 AM, dave wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>eBay is =
requiring a bank account and a social security number.=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD =
i'm done.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>=C3=AF=C2=BF=
=C2=BD<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>what other =
avenues are available for buying and selling?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p><=
/p><pre>** <a =
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