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Maybe you can sue them for false advertising.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Prestige?!!!
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-----Original Message-----
From: dave <dave@ranteer.com>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2020 11:53 am
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top
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56 I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it.=C2=A0 it really is not th=
e right size (too narrow) and the rear window is too large, so you can see =
the hoodstick through it =C2=A0And, just half a dozen years from having it =
installed, there are glued portions that have become unglued.=C2=A0 Its rea=
lly awful, and if my options weren=E2=80=99t so expensive I would replace i=
t =C2=A0From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David=
Friedlander
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net; dave@mdmackay.ca
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top =C2=A0At least the vinyl top has a plasticize=
r in it. Sunfast tops are NOT going to stretch no matter what or when. When=
they're tight, they're tight. Not sure I understand why the various manufa=
cturers don't try out their patterns on actual vehicles and adjust them, es=
pecially for when they use fabrics that don't stretch. I have a hoodstick c=
over from Prestige in the UK and have had a real challenge to get it to str=
etch to fit the lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never=
actually fitted one to a real TR3 so I don't know how they derive their pa=
tterns.... =C2=A0Dave Friedlander =C2=A0Dave =C2=A0On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at =
11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
The vinyl material used in tops is produced with a plasticizer which is an =
additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable.=C2=A0 The prob=
lem is this product is volatile and will dissipate over time making the top=
less and less stretchable.=C2=A0 If the top stretched whens installed (and=
installers don't like wrinkles and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is t=
he stretch the top to remove them) it will become more difficult to erect, =
especially when cold.=C2=A0 When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me =
a top that was sitting in his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but h=
is car was totaled before he could get it installed).=C2=A0 I had that top =
installed and it was a dream to erect and fold the whole time I had it.=C2=
=A0 I attribute that to the fact that it wasn't stretchable when installed.=
=C2=A0My advice is to get your top installed when the weather is cold and =
the material is more resistant to stretching.=C2=A0 The installer will pre-=
stretch the top less and it will work better in the long run. =C2=A0Here's =
another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in my opinion, =
cut about 1 inch too short.=C2=A0 I installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps as close=
to the edges as I could but still could only install it on a hot day in th=
e sun.=C2=A0 Since this car lives mostly in the garage the tonneau is virtu=
ally permanently installed and over the years as the cover gets less stretc=
hy it has become easier to install.=C2=A0 I think the plasticizer has dissi=
pated and the top took a set in the stretched position.=C2=A0 So, this rais=
es a question: What would happen if one slit some garden hose and placed it=
over the bows and left the top up with a little extra stretch.=C2=A0 After=
a while the top will take a set with extra slack, perhaps making it easier=
to put up. =C2=A0Or buy your top years before you install it. =C2=A0Dave =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0-----Original Message-----
From: Dave MacKay <dave@mdmackay.ca>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 topI, too, have had problems with the Robbins top=
s although my car is a TR3A, not a TR6.=C2=A0Like Bob with his TR6, my tonn=
eau (and also a convertible top) is so tight that I can only fit it with gr=
eat effort even in warm sunny weather. The tonneau was installed by profess=
ional installers who complained about the fit. Robbins was responsive when =
I complained. I even sent my previous tonneau to them so they could see wha=
t fit, but the replacement they sent me after that was no better.=C2=A0The =
top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anything, it may hav=
e shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put on.=C2=A0I wou=
ld suggest having the top (tonneau or convertible) made by your installer s=
o that you get a good fit. That would have been cheaper for me than buying =
the Robbins tonneau and having to pay for two installations.=C2=A0As always=
, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV=C2=
=A0Good luck,
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<div> <font size=3D"3">Maybe you can sue them for false advertising. &=
nbsp; Prestige?!!!</font><br>
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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From: dave <dave@ranteer.com><br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2020 11:53 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top<br>
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<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal">I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I=
hate it. it really is not the right size (too narrow) and the rear w=
indow is too large, so you can see the hoodstick through it</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal">And, just half a dozen years from hav=
ing it installed, there are glued portions that have become unglued. =
Its really awful, and if my options weren=E2=80=99t so expensive I would re=
place it</div>
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0in 0in;">
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs <triumphs-bo=
unces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Friedlander<br clear=3D"=
none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b=
>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com><br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</=
b> triumphs@autox.team.net; dave@mdmackay.ca<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:<=
/b> Re: [TR] New TR6 top</div>
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<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:#000099;">At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it.=
Sunfast tops are NOT going to stretch no matter what or when. When they're=
tight, they're tight. Not sure I understand why the various manufacturers =
don't try out their patterns on actual vehicles and adjust them, especially=
for when they use fabrics that don't stretch. I have a hoodstick cover fro=
m Prestige in the UK and have had a real challenge to get it to stretch to =
fit the lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never actuall=
y fitted one to a real TR3 so I don't know how they derive their patterns..=
..</span></div>
</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:#000099;"> </span></div>
</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:#000099;">Dave Friedlander</span></div>
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family:Sans;color:#000099;"> </span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:#000099;">Dave</span></div>
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<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVI=
D MASSEY <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:dave1massey=
@cs.com">dave1massey@cs.com</a>> wrote:</div>
</div>
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n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;">
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<div>
<div id=3D"yiv4798666056gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">The vinyl material used in tops is produced=
with a plasticizer which is an additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable=
and stretchable. The problem is this product is volatile and will di=
ssipate over time making the top less and less stretchable. If the to=
p stretched whens installed (and installers don't like wrinkles and the eas=
iest way to remove wrinkles is the stretch the top to remove them) it will =
become more difficult to erect, especially when cold. When I rebuilt =
my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a top that was sitting in his basement for =
20-odd years (he bought it but his car was totaled before he could get it i=
nstalled). I had that top installed and it was a dream to erect and f=
old the whole time I had it. I attribute that to the fact that it was=
n't stretchable when installed.</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">My advice is to get your top installed when=
the weather is cold and the material is more resistant to stretching. =
; The installer will pre-stretch the top less and it will work better in th=
e long run.</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau=
for the TR3 which was, in my opinion, cut about 1 inch too short. I =
installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps as close to the edges as I could but still c=
ould only install it on a hot day in the sun. Since this car lives mo=
stly in the garage the tonneau is virtually permanently installed and over =
the years as the cover gets less stretchy it has become easier to install.&=
nbsp; I think the plasticizer has dissipated and the top took a set in the =
stretched position. So, this raises a question: What would happen if =
one slit some garden hose and placed it over the bows and left the top up w=
ith a little extra stretch. After a while the top will take a set wit=
h extra slack, perhaps making it easier to put up.</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Or buy your top years before you install it=
.</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Dave </span=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></spa=
n></div>
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family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
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family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div id=3D"yiv4798666056gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929yqtfd03937=
">
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">-----Origin=
al Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: Dave MacKay <<a rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:dave@mdmackay.ca"; tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:dave@mdmackay.ca";>dave@mdmackay.ca</a>><br=
clear=3D"none">To: <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto=
:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none">Sen=
t: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm<br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 to=
p</span></div>
<div id=3D"yiv4798666056gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">I, too, have had problems with the Robbins =
tops although my car is a TR3A, not a TR6.</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also=
a convertible top) is so tight that I can only fit it with great effort ev=
en in warm sunny weather. The tonneau was installed by professional install=
ers who complained about the fit. Robbins was responsive when I complained.=
I even sent my previous tonneau to them so they could see what fit, but th=
e replacement they sent me after that was no better.</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosene=
d over time. If anything, it may have shrunk because it seems as hard or ha=
rder than ever to put on.</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">I would suggest having the top (tonneau or =
convertible) made by your installer so that you get a good fit. That would =
have been cheaper for me than buying the Robbins tonneau and having to pay =
for two installations.</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">As always, particularly since you=E2=80=99r=
e dealing with a TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV</span></div>
</div>
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family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></div>
</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv4798666056MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Good luck,</span></div>
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