Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak

[DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>]

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 The manufacturer didn't do this because it wasn't on the spec sheet and QA=
 wasn't looking over their shoulder.=C2=A0 These things are Low-Bid and any=
 add process will add cost.=C2=A0 And since we, the consumers, are cheap th=
e vendor has to go with the low bid.=C2=A0 Sad but true.
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Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
To: Tom Mulligan <nute_shop@hotmail.com>
Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net@newen=
glandtriumphs.org>; Steve Kirby <sackirby@chinaautogroup.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2020 4:56 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak

Fair enough. Thanks, Tom. If it's such an easy fix, I can't help but be a b=
it surprised the manufacturer(s) don't do this just prior to assembly...
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 5:51 PM Tom Mulligan <nute_shop@hotmail.com> wrote:

Lets be fair here. That the tap is a poor design may be correct if compared=
 Today's alternatives but the same can be said for about every element and =
system in the TR3.

Making a seal by corrosion is incorrect. The taps, properly fabricated and =
lapped, as they were when Dave's TR3 was built, did not leak. They also las=
ted a long time and were very resistant to corrosion. They were used on abo=
ut every British car from the beginning until the 1970's. They were also th=
e choice in boats and ships where sea water had to come through the boat's =
hull, to cool the engine for example.

If you want to fix the poorly made reproduction tap, get some very fine val=
ve grinding compound, take the cotter pin out of the drain tap, remove the =
spring and washer and the washer under the spring and tap the barrel and ha=
ndle out. Put some compound in and work the barrel back and forth until you=
 get an even pattern on the housing and barrel. Problem solved. You might e=
ven be able to get toothpaste to work as abrasive. Old school technology an=
d old school fix. Takes less than ten minutes once the tap is removed.

Guaranteed to work or money back.=C2=A0 And if you operate them a couple of=
 time each season, they will not clog up either.

Tom


From: Steve Kirby <sackirby@chinaautogroup.com>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:56 AM
To: John Linney <john@linneyweb.com>; David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com=
>
Cc: Tom Mulligan <nute_shop@hotmail.com>; TR3 Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team=
.net>; New England Triumphs <net@newenglandtriumphs.org>
Subject: RE: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak=C2=A0The design of this valve em=
ploys a metal on metal interface as a sealing surface.=C2=A0 There are no o=
rings, seals or packing of any kind.=C2=A0 The ability to seal depends sole=
ly on the two tapered metal surfaces being symmetrical enough to hold water=
 under pressure.=C2=A0 That is not a good design.=C2=A0 I believe that in t=
he early days, since these valves are rarely used, they seeped enough water=
 that eventually enough corrosion set in to accomplish a seal.=C2=A0 The us=
ually start to leak more seriously after the valve has been operated.=C2=A0=
 That makes sense, since then the corrosion seal would be broken and the pr=
ocess would have to start all over again.=C2=A0 If the earlier corrosion ha=
d pitted or otherwise damaged the metal to metal interface, then that would=
 make it even harder for the valve to eventually reseal.=C2=A0The valve ser=
ves little if any purpose.=C2=A0 I simple pipe plug could be substituted fo=
r a dependable seal and removed when the block is drained.=C2=A0 However ma=
ny people want to keep the period correct look of the valve (without having=
 the leaking problem).=C2=A0 That is why Moss is considering offering a =E2=
=80=9Cdummy=E2=80=9D valve.=C2=A0 It will look just like the original and t=
he handle will even turn, but the passage from the block to the valve stem =
will not be drilled, hence making this in essence a fancy pipe plug.=C2=A0T=
he only =E2=80=9Cfix=E2=80=9D I have seen, and it is rarely 100% successful=
, is to disassemble the valve and then try to lap the two metal surfaces to=
gether using valve lapping compound.=C2=A0 This presumably would =E2=80=9Cp=
erfect=E2=80=9D the interface of the two metal parts to a point where they =
would create a seal.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Steve KirbyPresidentChina Auto Group22831 =
Avenida EmpresaRancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USADirect:=C2=A0 (949) 261-=
8208Fax:=C2=A0 (949) 767-5949Cell:=C2=A0 (949) 903-0957Skype: steve.kirby29=
www.chinaautogroup.com=C2=A0From: John Linney <john@linneyweb.com>=20
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:58 AM
To: David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
Cc: Tom Mulligan <nute_shop@hotmail.com>; TR3 Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team=
.net>; Steve Kirby <sackirby@chinaautogroup.com>; New England Triumphs <net=
@newenglandtriumphs.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak=C2=A0Go figure. I went through t=
hree of them before arriving at my =E2=80=98gum it up with something=E2=80=
=99 solution.
On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:16 AM, David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFI replaced my original because somehow,=C2=A0 the handle on the ta=
p had broken off. I didn't know the replacement ones all leaked.=C2=A0 I wo=
nder if TRF and Moss even know about the problem.=C2=A0 If they do, why wou=
ld they continue to sell what they know is faulty, without trying to get th=
e issue(s) resolved?=C2=A0Dave=C2=A0On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 7:29 AM Tom Mulli=
gan <nute_shop@hotmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps the reproduction cocks are poorly made but the original ones didn't=
 leak. The design is ancient (similar cocks tapped beer kegs in the middle =
ages). There are two on every TR2 or 3, one in the block and one in the rad=
iator. And Dave, the plug is not a bad idea, and you wouldn't be the first =
to resort to that. Mine both work and don't leak but I never use them . On =
the rare occasions that I drain the coolant, I simply pull off the bottom r=
adiator hose, quick and easy.Tom=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0From: Steve Kirby <sackir=
by@chinaautogroup.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:50 PM
To: David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
Cc: Tom Mulligan <nute_shop@hotmail.com>; TR3 Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team=
.net>; New England Triumphs <net@newenglandtriumphs.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak =C2=A0They all leak.=C2=A0 Bad d=
esign from day one.=C2=A0 You can try removing it, disassembling it and lap=
ping the mating surfaces with valve lapping compound.Steve Kirby
On Sep 13, 2020, at 12:09 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Tom ~ Thanks! I needed the laugh. Maybe I should 'avoid the rush' and j=
ust install a pipe plug now...=F0=9F=98=8A =C2=A0Dave=C2=A0On Sun, Sep 13, =
2020, 2:42 PM Tom Mulligan <nute_shop@hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh, And if=C2=A0 you get the leak to stop it will eventually clog up solid =
with crud and never leak (or drain) again.Tom=C2=A0From: NET <net-bounces@n=
ewenglandtriumphs.org> on behalf of David Friedlander via NET <net@newengla=
ndtriumphs.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 2:21 PM
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net@newen=
glandtriumphs.org>
Subject: [NET] Small coolant leak =C2=A0I have noticed a small coolant leak=
 from my TR3 and have traced it to the handle assembly of the water drain t=
ap on the side of the block. Anyone else had this issue? It's a new tap and=
 don't know what the fix might be. It's not leaking from where the tap thre=
ads into the block... Thanks in advance for any BTDT advice... =C2=A0Dave
=C2=A0=C2=A0

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<div> <font size=3D"3">The manufacturer didn't do this because it wasn't on=
 the spec sheet and QA wasn't looking over their shoulder.&nbsp; These thin=
gs are Low-Bid and any add process will add cost.&nbsp; And since we, the c=
onsumers, are cheap the vendor has to go with the low bid.&nbsp; Sad but tr=
ue.</font><br>
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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Original Message-----<br>
From: David Friedlander &lt;forzion7@gmail.com&gt;<br>
To: Tom Mulligan &lt;nute_shop@hotmail.com&gt;<br>
Cc: TR3 Triumphs &lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;=
net@newenglandtriumphs.org&gt;; Steve Kirby &lt;sackirby@chinaautogroup.com=
&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2020 4:56 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak<br>
<br>

<div id=3D"yiv3419678827">
<div>Fair enough. Thanks, Tom. If it's such an easy fix, I can't help but b=
e a bit surprised the manufacturer(s) don't do this just prior to assembly.=
..</div>
<br>

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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"yiv3419678827gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 5:=
51 PM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:nute_shop@hotm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:nute_shop@hotmail.com";>nute_shop@=
hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class=3D"yiv3419678827gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">





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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
Lets be fair here. That the tap is a poor design may be correct if compared=
 Today's alternatives but the same can be said for about every element and =
system in the TR3.
<br>

</div>


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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
<br>

</div>


<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);">
Making a seal by corrosion is incorrect. The taps, properly fabricated and =
lapped, as they were when Dave's TR3 was built, did not leak. They also las=
ted a long time and were very resistant to corrosion. They were used on abo=
ut every British car from the beginning
 until the 1970's. They were also the choice in boats and ships where sea w=
ater had to come through the boat's hull, to cool the engine for example.
<br>

</div>


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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
<br>

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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);">
If you want to fix the poorly made reproduction tap, get some very fine val=
ve grinding compound, take the cotter pin out of the drain tap, remove the =
spring and washer and the washer under the spring and tap the barrel and ha=
ndle out. Put some compound in and
 work the barrel back and forth until you get an even pattern on the housin=
g and barrel. Problem solved. You might even be able to get toothpaste to w=
ork as abrasive. Old school technology and old school fix. Takes less than =
ten minutes once the tap is removed.
<br>

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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
Guaranteed to work or money back.&nbsp; And if you operate them a couple of=
 time each season, they will not clog up either.<br>

</div>


<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);">
<br>

</div>


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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
Tom<br>

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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
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or:rgb(0,0,0);">
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<div id=3D"yiv3419678827m_-5506077995634869665divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><f=
ont style=3D"font-size:11pt;" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000=
"><b>From:</b> Steve Kirby &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:sackir=
by@chinaautogroup.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:sackirby@chinaautog=
roup.com">sackirby@chinaautogroup.com</a>&gt;<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 14, 2020 11:56 AM<br>

<b>To:</b> John Linney &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:john@linne=
yweb.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:john@linneyweb.com";>john@linneyw=
eb.com</a>&gt;; David Friedlander &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto=
:forzion7@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com";>f=
orzion7@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>

<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:nute_shop=
@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:nute_shop@hotmail.com";>nute_=
shop@hotmail.com</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@au=
tox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a =
rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumphs.org"; target=3D"_b=
lank" href=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumphs.org";>net@newenglandtriumphs.org=
</a>&gt;<br>

<b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak</font>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

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<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
The design of this valve employs a metal on metal interface as a sealing su=
rface.&nbsp; There are no orings, seals or packing of any kind.&nbsp; The a=
bility to seal depends solely on the two tapered metal surfaces being symme=
trical enough to hold water under pressure.&nbsp;
 That is not a good design.&nbsp; I believe that in the early days, since t=
hese valves are rarely used, they seeped enough water that eventually enoug=
h corrosion set in to accomplish a seal.&nbsp; The usually start to leak mo=
re seriously after the valve has been operated.&nbsp;
 That makes sense, since then the corrosion seal would be broken and the pr=
ocess would have to start all over again.&nbsp; If the earlier corrosion ha=
d pitted or otherwise damaged the metal to metal interface, then that would=
 make it even harder for the valve to
 eventually reseal.</div>


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&nbsp;</div>


<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
The valve serves little if any purpose.&nbsp; I simple pipe plug could be s=
ubstituted for a dependable seal and removed when the block is drained.&nbs=
p; However many people want to keep the period correct look of the valve (w=
ithout having the leaking problem).&nbsp; That
 is why Moss is considering offering a =E2=80=9Cdummy=E2=80=9D valve.&nbsp;=
 It will look just like the original and the handle will even turn, but the=
 passage from the block to the valve stem will not be drilled, hence making=
 this in essence a fancy pipe plug.</div>


<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</div>


<div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
The only =E2=80=9Cfix=E2=80=9D I have seen, and it is rarely 100% successfu=
l, is to disassemble the valve and then try to lap the two metal surfaces t=
ogether using valve lapping compound.&nbsp; This presumably would =E2=80=9C=
perfect=E2=80=9D the interface of the two metal parts to a point where
 they would create a seal.&nbsp; </div>


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&nbsp;</div>


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<b><i><span style=3D"color:#0070c0;">Steve Kirby</span></i></b></div>


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<b>President</b></div>


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<b>China Auto Group</b></div>


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22831 Avenida Empresa</div>


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Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA</div>


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Direct:&nbsp; (949) 261-8208</div>


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Fax:&nbsp; (949) 767-5949</div>


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Cell:&nbsp; (949) 903-0957</div>


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Skype: steve.kirby29</div>


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<a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.chinaautogroup.com=
/">www.chinaautogroup.com</a></div>

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0in 0in;">

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<b>From:</b> John Linney &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:john@lin=
neyweb.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:john@linneyweb.com";>john@linne=
yweb.com</a>&gt; <br>

<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 14, 2020 7:58 AM<br>

<b>To:</b> David Friedlander &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:forz=
ion7@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com";>forzio=
n7@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>

<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:nute_shop=
@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:nute_shop@hotmail.com";>nute_=
shop@hotmail.com</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@au=
tox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;; Steve Kirby &lt;<a rel=3D"no=
follow" ymailto=3D"mailto:sackirby@chinaautogroup.com"; target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:sackirby@chinaautogroup.com";>sackirby@chinaautogroup.com</a>&g=
t;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:net@newe=
nglandtriumphs.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumphs=
.org">net@newenglandtriumphs.org</a>&gt;<br>

<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] [NET] Small coolant leak</div>

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m:12.0pt;">
Go figure. I went through three of them before arriving at my =E2=80=98gum =
it up with something=E2=80=99 solution.</div>


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m:12.0pt;">
On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:16 AM, David Friedlander &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:forzion7=
@gmail.com">forzion7@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>

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I replaced my original because somehow,&nbsp; the handle on the tap had bro=
ken off. I didn't know the replacement ones all leaked.&nbsp; I wonder if T=
RF and Moss even know about the problem.&nbsp; If they do, why would they c=
ontinue to sell what they know is faulty, without
 trying to get the issue(s) resolved?</div>


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Dave</div>

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On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 7:29 AM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:nute_shop@hotmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:nute_sho=
p@hotmail.com">nute_shop@hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>

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n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;">

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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Perhaps the reproduction cock=
s are poorly made but the original ones didn't leak. The design is ancient =
(similar cocks tapped beer kegs in the middle ages). There are two on every=
 TR2 or 3, one in the block and one
 in the radiator. </span></div>

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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">And Dave, the plug is not a b=
ad idea, and you wouldn't be the first to resort to that. Mine both work an=
d don't leak but I never use them . On the rare occasions that I drain the =
coolant, I simply pull off the bottom
 radiator hose, quick and easy.</span></div>

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<b><span style=3D"color:black;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:black;=
"> Steve Kirby &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:sackirby@chinaauto=
group.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:sackirby@chinaautogroup.com";>sa=
ckirby@chinaautogroup.com</a>&gt;<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:50 PM<br>

<b>To:</b> David Friedlander &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:forz=
ion7@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com";>forzio=
n7@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>

<b>Cc:</b> Tom Mulligan &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:nute_shop=
@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:nute_shop@hotmail.com";>nute_=
shop@hotmail.com</a>&gt;; TR3 Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@au=
tox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a =
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lank" href=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumphs.org";>net@newenglandtriumphs.org=
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They all leak.&nbsp; Bad design from day one.&nbsp; You can try removing it=
, disassembling it and lapping the mating surfaces with valve lapping compo=
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On Sep 13, 2020, at 12:09 PM, David Friedlander &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" yma=
ilto=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:forzion=
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Hey Tom ~ Thanks! I needed the laugh. Maybe I should 'avoid the rush' and j=
ust install a pipe plug now...
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On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:42 PM Tom Mulligan &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:nute_shop@hotmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:nute_sho=
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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Oh, And if&nbsp; you get the =
leak to stop it will eventually clog up solid with crud and never leak (or =
drain) again.</span></div>

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mphs.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:net-bounces@newenglandtriumphs.o=
rg">net-bounces@newenglandtriumphs.org</a>&gt; on behalf of David Friedland=
er via NET &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumphs=
.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumphs.org";>net@newe=
nglandtriumphs.org</a>&gt;<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2020 2:21 PM<br>

<b>To:</b> TR3 Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>t=
riumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;; New England Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow=
" ymailto=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumphs.org"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m=
ailto:net@newenglandtriumphs.org">net@newenglandtriumphs.org</a>&gt;<br>

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I have noticed a small coolant leak from my TR3 and have traced it to the h=
andle assembly of the water drain tap on the side of the block. Anyone else=
 had this issue? It's a new tap and don't know what the fix might be. It's =
not leaking from where the tap threads
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