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I think it erred years ago, should try again. =20
Bill
Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......BWS
> On Nov 6, 2019, at 5:53 PM, Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com> wrote:
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"My Morgan is one of hundreds with the same 17 digit VIN"
Must make for an interesting Carfax report
Greg Lemon=20
TR250
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 5:03 PM wbeech <wbeech@flash.net> wrote:
> Jonas,
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> My Morgan is one of hundreds with the same 17 digit VIN. Seems when they o=
rdered the blank VIN plates there was a sample number inserted that got repl=
icated. Had a brief skirmish with the insurance company before getting a le=
tter from MMC explaining it. DMV used the 5 digit chassis number without an=
y questions.
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> Bill
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> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jpayn=
epbr@cox.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 4:10 PM
> To: 'Andrew Uprichard' <auprichard@uprichard.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs@au=
tox.team.net>; 6pack@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] VINs
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> Andrew,
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> I have seen many mangled =E2=80=9CVIN Numbers=E2=80=9D on vintage car titl=
es.
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> =20
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> Apparently when DMV=E2=80=99s across the country became computerized, ther=
e was no standard on how to input 17 digits in on a title for a car with a 4=
or 5 digit serial number.=20
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> =20
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> The solution for my 1960 Morgan registered in Hawaii was to insert 13 zero=
s in front of the 4 digit serial number.
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> =20
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> I had a 1964 AH 3000 with a CA title that was AHEALEYBJ then the body tag n=
umber
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> =20
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> =20
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> Jonas Payne
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> PBR Consulting Services, LLC
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> 702.882.6711
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> We have Moved!
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> Our new offices are locted at:
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> 3191 E. Warm Springs Rd. #13
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> Las Vegas, NV 89120
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> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Andrew Upric=
hard
> Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 1:13 PM
> To: 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.net>; 6pack@autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] VINs
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> =20
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> I just went to get a title on a TR which came with a factory overdrive. T=
he old title appropriately ended =E2=80=9CLO=E2=80=9D, but I was told that =E2=
=80=9COs=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CIs=E2=80=9D are no longer acceptable in title=
s. So I had to change the VIN (on the title) to =E2=80=9CL0=E2=80=9D. Then=
I had to call the insurance company to explain the same story to them and h=
ave them send me a proof of insurance with =E2=80=9CL0=E2=80=9D
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> =20
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> Anyone else come across this? Maybe it has been going on for years: I ha=
ve 4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first factory one.
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> =20
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> Andrew Uprichard
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> Jackson, MI
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I think it erred years ago, should try agai=
n. <div>Bill</div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Cactus Jack drinks cof=
fee black......BWS</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On No=
v 6, 2019, at 5:53 PM, Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></b=
lockquote></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"c=
olor:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">"My Morgan is o=
ne of hundreds with the same 17 digit VIN"</span><div dir=3D"auto"><span sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></sp=
an></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:s=
ans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Must make for an interesting Carfax report</span=
></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:san=
s-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"=
color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Greg Lemon&nbs=
p;</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">TR250</span></div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 5:03=
PM wbeech <<a href=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net";>wbeech@flash.net</a>> w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blu=
e" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_7615099030354052932WordSection1"><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Jonas,<u></u><u></u></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">My Morgan is one of hu=
ndreds with the same 17 digit VIN. Seems when they ordered the blank V=
IN plates there was a sample number inserted that got replicated. Had a=
brief skirmish with the insurance company before getting a letter from MMC e=
xplaining it. DMV used the 5 digit chassis number without any question=
s.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f49=
7d">Bill<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color=
:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:non=
e;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@auto=
x.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs-bounces@autox.team=
.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href=3D"mailto:jpaynepbr@cox.net"; target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jpaynepbr@cox.net</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday,=
November 6, 2019 4:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Andrew Uprichard' <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:auprichard@uprichard.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">aupricha=
rd@uprichard.net</a>>; 'Triumphs' <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.te=
am.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>>=
; <a href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferre=
r">6pack@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] VINs<u></u><u></u></=
p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u> <u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Andrew,<u></u><u></u></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have seen m=
any mangled =E2=80=9CVIN Numbers=E2=80=9D on vintage car titles.<u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Apparently when DMV=E2=80=99s across the country became computerized, there w=
as no standard on how to input 17 digits in on a title for a car with a 4 or=
5 digit serial number. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></=
u> <u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The solution for my 1960 Morgan re=
gistered in Hawaii was to insert 13 zeros in front of the 4 digit serial num=
ber.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">I had a 1964 AH 3000 with a CA title that was AHEALEYBJ then=
the body tag number<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u=
></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jon=
as Payne<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">PBR Consulting Services, LL=
C<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">702.882.6711<u></u><u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i>We h=
ave Moved!<u></u><u></u></i></b></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Our new offices a=
re locted at:<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">3191 E. Warm Springs Rd. #13<u></u><u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">Las Vegas, NV 89120<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:so=
lid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:=
</b> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Be=
half Of </b>Andrew Uprichard<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 6, 2019 1:1=
3 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Triumphs' <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"=
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>>; <a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">6pac=
k@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] VINs<u></u><u></u></p></div></d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I just went to ge=
t a title on a TR which came with a factory overdrive. The old title a=
ppropriately ended =E2=80=9CLO=E2=80=9D, but I was told that =E2=80=9COs=E2=80=
=9D and =E2=80=9CIs=E2=80=9D are no longer acceptable in titles. So I h=
ad to change the VIN (on the title) to =E2=80=9CL0=E2=80=9D. Then I ha=
d to call the insurance company to explain the same story to them and have t=
hem send me a proof of insurance with =E2=80=9CL0=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Rom=
an",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Anyone else come acro=
ss this? Maybe it has been going on for years: I have 4 cars wit=
h overdrive, but this was the first factory one.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",se=
rif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Andrew Uprichard<u></u><u></u><=
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