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Re: [TR] Pain job for 1972 TR6

To: Gene M <mclans@sbcglobal.net>, Chad <triumph74tr6@yahoo.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Pain job for 1972 TR6
From: Michael Porter <mdporter@dfn.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:31:08 -0600
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On 10/7/2019 3:15 PM, Gene M wrote:
> Chad,
>
> Diameter of the bolt is the same on the entire shaft instead of 
> tapered like a modern sheet metal screw, and threads were squared off 
> and smooth instead of the angled with a machine bite like a sheet 
> metal screw.


These are not exactly unique.  In the industry, I think they were 
branded as Spirox screws, and are generically known as "christmas tree" 
screws.  They are straight-shank, but have a conical, pointed end, with 
a modified Acme thread.  They're made to be received by a similar nut 
encapsulated in a stamped sheet metal clip.  And they're quite adequate 
for securing sheet metal panels--the panels certainly don't just hang on 
them.  Otherwise, the car--even when new--would be a rolling symphony of 
rattles and creaks and knocks.

>
> Have you seen an original  TR6 body panel that had primer next to bare 
> metal?  I don't know if it is true what the hardware store WW II 
> employee told me about the Brits dipping every metal part in lacquer 
> paint.  This vet told me during WW II they had these big vats in the 
> barns in rural England and all the metal fabricated parts for 
> everything were dipped and air dried to prevent rust.  These parts 
> would hang there and be available for the war effort.

> He figured maybe after WW II ended, these vats with the lacquer paint 
> and the malleable metal parts that could be re-pressed into what my 
> car was made from.
>
> He's probably pulling your leg (or was an idiot), given that the TR6 
> began life twenty-four years after the end of the war.  Yes, there 
> were probably leftover parts, but they went with the war materiel in 
> other conflicts (the Brits were fighting what they called the "Malay 
> Emergency" beginning in 1948 and also had about ten percent of UN's 
> forces in the Korean War beginning in 1950).  Given the extreme 
> shortages of everything in the UK post-war, the chances were very high 
> that unused steel stampings were resmelted.  I think John McC. can 
> attest to the fact that the bodies of everything made at Coventry were 
> made from virgin sheet metal and not made of leftover Doncaster 
> floorboards.



Cheers.


-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/7/2019 3:15 PM, Gene M wrote:<br>
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          Diameter of the bolt is the same on the entire shaft instead
          of tapered like a modern sheet metal screw, and threads were
          squared off and smooth instead of the angled with a machine
          bite like a sheet metal screw. <br>
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    <p>These are not exactly unique.  In the industry, I think they were
      branded as Spirox screws, and are generically known as "christmas
      tree" screws.  They are straight-shank, but have a conical,
      pointed end, with a modified Acme thread.  They're made to be
      received by a similar nut encapsulated in a stamped sheet metal
      clip.  And they're quite adequate for securing sheet metal
      panels--the panels certainly don't just hang on them.  Otherwise,
      the car--even when new--would be a rolling symphony of rattles and
      creaks and knocks.<br>
    </p>
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          Have you seen an original  TR6 body panel that had primer next
          to bare metal?  I don't know if it is true what the hardware
          store WW II employee told me about the Brits dipping every
          metal part in lacquer paint.  This vet told me during WW II
          they had these big vats in the barns in rural England and all
          the metal fabricated parts for everything were dipped and air
          dried to prevent rust.  These parts would hang there and be
          available for the war effort.  </div>
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        <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri,
          Helvetica, sans-serif">He figured maybe after WW II ended,
          these vats with the lacquer paint and the malleable metal
          parts that could be re-pressed into what my car was made
          from.  </div>
        <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri,
          Helvetica, sans-serif">
          <br>
        </div>
        <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri,
          Helvetica, sans-serif">He's probably pulling your leg (or was
          an idiot), given that the TR6 began life twenty-four years
          after the end of the war.  Yes, there were probably leftover
          parts, but they went with the war materiel in other conflicts
          (the Brits were fighting what they called the "Malay
          Emergency" beginning in 1948 and also had about ten percent of
          UN's forces in the Korean War beginning in 1950).  Given the
          extreme shortages of everything in the UK post-war, the
          chances were very high that unused steel stampings were
          resmelted.  I think John McC. can attest to the fact that the
          bodies of everything made at Coventry were made from virgin
          sheet metal and not made of leftover Doncaster floorboards.<br>
        </div>
      </div>
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    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Cheers.<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking 
distance....</pre>
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