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IDK, look at that video and that still photo at about 2:30 minute mark and=
you tell me if those are MGAs. =C2=A0I thought they were, but maybe not.=0A=
=0ARye=0A=0A=0AOn July 17, 2019 at 4:43 PM, EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1@comcast.=
net> wrote:=0A=0AWell, in 1951 the TR2 hadn't been invented. But then, nei=
ther had the MGA. So what's wrong here? The year?=0A=0AEd=0AOn July 17, 20=
19 at 3:26 PM Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com> wrote: =0A=0A=C2=A0=0AI don't =
know the racing history of the two cars together, but the racing heritage =
of Porsche out performing bigger horsepower cars is legendary. =C2=A0It al=
l started with a 356 in 1951 when Porsche entered Le Mans with a 1.1 liter=
car. =C2=A0The link below is to a fantastic video of the restoration of t=
hat car. =C2=A0At 2:30 minute mark into the video is a still photo from th=
e race, and you can see two MGAs in the photo, but I don't see a Triumph. =
=C2=A0It was the smallest engine in the race, and=C2=A0they won the race, =
and that started Porsche racing. =C2=A0If they had lost or not done well, =
history of Porsche would have been changed.=0A=0AThe rest of the video is =
pretty cool how they found the car, through years of research they were ab=
le to verify it was the car that won Le Mans, and then they did an amazing=
job to restore it. =C2=A0The CEO of Kettle potato chips, he is the owner =
of the car.=0A=0Ahttps://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a20=
652380/1951-porsche-356-sl-le-mans-restoration/=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn July 1=
7, 2019 at 10:16 AM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net> wrote: =0A=0ACool.=C2=
=A0 Thanks, Rye.=C2=A0 That's sort of what I'm asking.=C2=A0 Engine size c=
an be made up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and so on.=C2=A0 So the Spyder w=
as 500 cc's smaller than a Triumph, but significantly outperformed?=0AOn J=
uly 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com> wrote: =0A=0AOne co=
rrection, James Dean died in a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of only 90 produced=
, not a Speedster. =C2=A0It had a=C2=A01.5 liter engine, but it was a Carr=
era engine with twin overhead cams,=C2=A0two separate ignition manifolds=C2=
=A0and=C2=A0two ignition coils. =C2=A0It was also a mid engine design like=
the 914 and the current Boxter and Cayman. =C2=A0So this car isn't compar=
able to a=C2=A0Triumph or MGA of that era.=0A=0A=C2=A0=0ARye =0A1960 TR3A=0A=
1963 356=0A1968 912=0A1988 911 Carrera=0A=0A=0A=0AOn July 16, 2019 at 4:48=
PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net> wrote: =0A=0AHmmm.=C2=A0 So looking=
quickly other street cars of the time, a 1959 Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 lit=
er engine; I don't know about the Porsche "speedster" or even if it was di=
fferent, other than James Dean died in one.=C2=A0 The 1959 MGA had a 1.6 l=
iter.=C2=A0 The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter engine.=C2=A0 Karmann Ghia h=
ad between a 1.1 and 1.3 liter engine.=C2=A0 As far as I can tell the Fiat=
850 started in 1964, with an engine a single strong man could seemingly l=
ift.=C2=A0 The Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter.=C2=A0 The Austin Martin DB4=
was 3.7 liters.=C2=A0 Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four and six =
cylinder engines.=C2=A0 The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister cal=
led it her putt-putt.=C2=A0 Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran the same =
2 liter engine.=0A=0AAll this said, and certainly subject to any correctio=
ns you might have, I remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races agains=
t these.=C2=A0 Anybody?=0A=0ATerry=0AOn July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM Randall <=
tr3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote: =0A=0A110 mph in 4th OD is only 4500 rpm.=C2=A0=
Not what I call =E2=80=9Ccrank shattering rpm=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 A stock TR3=
won=E2=80=99t usually run that fast of course, but 87mm liners were actua=
lly cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s.=C2=A0 (I actually found a set that =
had been returned to Warshawski=E2=80=99s in Chicago, better known as JC W=
hitney, for even less than the usual price.)=0A=C2=A0=0AAnd I=E2=80=99ve r=
un 4500 for literally hours without a problem.=C2=A0 (Speed enforcement in=
the desert tends to be lax =F0=9F=98=8A )=0A=C2=A0=0ASent from Mail for W=
indows 10=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom: TERRY SMITH=0ASent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47=
PM=0ATo: Randall=0ACc: Triumphs=0ASubject: Re: [TR] MGA=0A=C2=A0=0AThat r=
eminds me.=C2=A0 When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm referencin=
g traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that clips along between 7=
0 and 80 mph.=C2=A0 I've been curious about the various cruising speeds an=
d power performances of TR3's and their competition back in the day, cruis=
ing that is without winding up to crank shattering rpm's.=C2=A0 Anybody fa=
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<html><body><div></div><div>IDK, look at that video and that still photo at
about 2:30=
minute mark and you tell me if those are MGAs. I thought they were,=
but maybe not.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>Rye</div><di=
v><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>=
On July 17, 2019 at 4:43 PM, EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1@comcast.net> wrot=
e:<br><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"msg-quote"><p=
style=3D"color: #333333; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-si=
ze: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #333333; font-family: helvetica,arial,=
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Well, in 1951 the TR2 hadn't been invented. =
But then, neither had the MGA. So what's wrong here? The year?<br></p><p s=
tyle=3D"color: #333333; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size=
: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #333333; font-family: helvetica,arial,sa=
ns-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></p><p style=3D"color: #333333; font-famil=
y: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"color: =
#333333; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Ed<br>=
</p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On July 17, 2019 at 3:26 PM Rye Livingston &=
lt;ryel@mac.com> wrote: <br> <br><div> <br></div><div>I don't know=
the racing history of the two cars together, but the racing heritage of P=
orsche out performing bigger horsepower cars is legendary. It all st=
arted with a 356 in 1951 when Porsche entered Le Mans with a 1.1 liter car=
. The link below is to a fantastic video of the restoration of that =
car. At 2:30 minute mark into the video is a still photo from the ra=
ce, and you can see two MGAs in the photo, but I don't see a Triumph. &nbs=
p;It was the smallest engine in the race, and they won the race, and =
that started Porsche racing. If they had lost or not done well, hist=
ory of Porsche would have been changed.</div><div><br></div><div>The rest =
of the video is pretty cool how they found the car, through years of resea=
rch they were able to verify it was the car that won Le Mans, and then the=
y did an amazing job to restore it. The CEO of Kettle potato chips, =
he is the owner of the car.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://ww=
w.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a20652380/1951-porsche-356-sl-=
le-mans-restoration/" data-mce-href=3D"https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cu=
lture/classic-cars/a20652380/1951-porsche-356-sl-le-mans-restoration/">htt=
ps://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a20652380/1951-porsche-=
356-sl-le-mans-restoration/</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b=
r></div><div><br></div><div><br>On July 17, 2019 at 10:16 AM, TERRY SMITH =
<terryrs@comcast.net> wrote: <br> <br></div><div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div class=3D"ox-9e7d821889-msg-quote"><p style=3D"color: #333333; =
font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D=
"color: #333333; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
">Cool. Thanks, Rye. That's sort of what I'm asking. Eng=
ine size can be made up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and so on. So th=
e Spyder was 500 cc's smaller than a Triumph, but significantly outperform=
ed?<br></p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On July 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye Livi=
ngston <ryel@mac.com> wrote: <br> <br><div><span style=3D"font-famil=
y: geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: ge=
neva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">One correction, James Dean died in a 5=
50 Porsche Spyder, one of only 90 produced, not a Speedster. It had =
a 1.5 liter engine, but it was a Carrera engine with twin overhead ca=
ms, <span style=3D"color: #222222; text-transform: none; text-indent:=
0px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; word-spacing: 0px; float: n=
one; display: inline; white-space: normal; background-color: #ffffff;" dat=
a-mce-style=3D"color: #222222; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; fon=
t-style: normal; font-weight: normal; word-spacing: 0px; float: none; disp=
lay: inline; white-space: normal; background-color: #ffffff;">two separate=
ignition manifolds and two ignition coils. It was also a =
mid engine design like the 914 and the current Boxter and Cayman. So=
this car isn't comparable to a Triumph or MGA of that era.</span></s=
pan></div><div><span style=3D"color: #222222; text-transform: none; text-i=
ndent: 0px; font-family: geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
normal; font-weight: normal; word-spacing: 0px; float: none; display: inli=
ne; white-space: normal; background-color: #ffffff;" data-mce-style=3D"col=
or: #222222; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; font-family: geneva, =
sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; word=
-spacing: 0px; float: none; display: inline; white-space: normal; backgrou=
nd-color: #ffffff;"><br></span></div> <div class=3D"ox-9e7d821889-ox-=
17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-ser=
if; font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-serif; f=
ont-size: 14px;">Rye</span> <br> <span style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-=
serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style=3D=
"font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 14px;">1960 TR3A</span></s=
pan></div><div class=3D"ox-9e7d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><sp=
an style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-famil=
y: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-size: 14px;">1963 356</span></span></div><div class=3D"ox-9e7d821889=
-ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans=
-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style=3D=
"font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 14px;">1968 912</span></sp=
an></div><div class=3D"ox-9e7d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><spa=
n style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family=
: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style=3D"=
font-size: 14px;">1988 911 Carrera</span></span></div><div class=3D"ox-9e7=
d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style=3D"font-family: genev=
a, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 14px;"><br></span>=
</span></div><div class=3D"ox-9e7d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature">=
<span style=3D"font-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-fa=
mily: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style=
=3D"font-size: 14px;"><br></span></span></div><div><br>On July 16, 2019 at=
4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net> wrote: <br> <br></div><d=
iv><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"ox-9e7d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-msg=
-quote"><p style=3D"color: #333333; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-seri=
f; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #333333; font-family: helvet=
ica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Hmmm. So looking quickly oth=
er street cars of the time, a 1959 Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 liter engine; I=
don't know about the Porsche "speedster" or even if it was different, oth=
er than James Dean died in one. The 1959 MGA had a 1.6 liter. =
The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter engine. Karmann Ghia had between a=
1.1 and 1.3 liter engine. As far as I can tell the Fiat 850 started=
in 1964, with an engine a single strong man could seemingly lift. T=
he Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter. The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7 lit=
ers. Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four and six cylinder eng=
ines. The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister called it her p=
utt-putt. Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran the same 2 liter engi=
ne.<br></p><p style=3D"color: #333333; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-s=
erif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #333333; font-family: hel=
vetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></p><p style=3D"color: #333=
333; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-s=
tyle=3D"color: #333333; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size=
: 12pt;">All this said, and certainly subject to any corrections you might=
have, I remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races against these.&nbs=
p; Anybody?<br></p><p style=3D"color: #333333; font-family: helvetica,aria=
l,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #333333; font-fam=
ily: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></p><p style=3D"col=
or: #333333; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" da=
ta-mce-style=3D"color: #333333; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; f=
ont-size: 12pt;">Terry<br></p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On July 16, 2019 a=
t 5:40 PM Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote: <br> <br><div class=3D=
"ox-9e7d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-WordSection1"><p class=3D"ox-9e=
7d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal">110 mph in 4<sup>th</sup> =
OD is only 4500 rpm. Not what I call =E2=80=9Ccrank shattering rpm=E2=
=80=9D. A stock TR3 won=E2=80=99t usually run that fast of course, b=
ut 87mm liners were actually cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s. (I a=
ctually found a set that had been returned to Warshawski=E2=80=99s in Chic=
ago, better known as JC Whitney, for even less than the usual price.)</p><=
p class=3D"ox-9e7d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal"> </p>=
<p class=3D"ox-9e7d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal">And I=E2=80=
=99ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem. (Speed enforce=
ment in the desert tends to be lax <span style=3D"font-family: 'Segoe UI E=
moji',sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Segoe UI Emoji',sans-se=
rif;">=F0=9F=98=8A</span> )</p><p class=3D"ox-9e7d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-ox-=
cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"ox-9e7d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-ox=
-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlin=
k/?LinkId=3D550986" data-mce-href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?Link=
Id=3D550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class=3D"ox-9e7d821889-ox-17f5f=
529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal"> </p><div style=3D"border-width: 1pt m=
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urrentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ox-9e7d821889=
-ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal" style=3D"padding: 0in; border: cur=
rentColor;" data-mce-style=3D"padding: 0in; border: currentColor;"><strong=
>From: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:terryrs@comcast.net"; data-mce-href=3D"ma=
ilto:terryrs@comcast.net">TERRY SMITH</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>Tuesda=
y, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM<br><strong>To: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:tr3driv=
er@ca.rr.com" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com";>Randall</a><br>=
<strong>Cc: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; data-mce-h=
ref=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>Triumphs</a><br><strong>Subject: </=
strong>Re: [TR] MGA</p></div><p class=3D"ox-9e7d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc=
84e2b33b-MsoNormal"> </p><p><span style=3D"color: #333333; font-famil=
y: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #333=
333; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">That reminds m=
e. When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm referencing traffi=
c on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that clips along between 70 and 80=
mph. I've been curious about the various cruising speeds and power =
performances of TR3's and their competition back in the day, cruising that=
is without winding up to crank shattering rpm's. Anybody familiar w=
ith that? </span></p></div></blockquote><p class=3D"ox-9e7d821889-ox-=
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