thanks everyone for your prompt replies to my post,
especially Randall as always,
just the info I needed
much appreciated
Alan
TS 3612 down in New Zealand
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> 4. Re: Oil pump re-assembly 4 cyl. TR motor (Alan& Lyn Dunscombe)
> 5. Re: Brake fluid for Triumph (DAVID MASSEY)
> 6. Re: Drive Your Triumph Day - Feb 10, 2019 (DAVID MASSEY)
> 7. Re: TR cylinder heads (Randall)
> 8. Re: Oil pump re-assembly 4 cyl. TR motor (TERRY SMITH)
> 9. Re: Oil pump re-assembly 4 cyl. TR motor (Randall)
> 10. Re: Drive Your Triumph Day - Feb 10, 2019 (Dave Connitt)
> 11. Re: TR cylinder heads (DAVE HOGYE)
> 12. Re: Oil pump re-assembly 4 cyl. TR motor (Andrew Uprichard)
> 13. Re: Oil pump re-assembly 4 cyl. TR motor (Jerry Van Vlack)
> 14. Re: Drive Your Triumph Day - Feb 10, 2019 (Rye Livingston)
> 15. Re: TR cylinder heads (John Macartney)
> 16. Who owns buckeyetriumps.org (Sujit Roy)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 23:31:21 GMT
> From: Rye Livingston<ryel@mac.com>
> To: "Triumph list Team.net"<triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day - Feb 10, 2019
> Message-ID:<80da0af0-5dfb-4563-aa9f-849b095d1d06@me.com>
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> Dear Fellow Triumph Owner,
>
> It?s time to make plans for Drive Your Triumph Day, February 10, 2019.
>
> My name is Rye Livingston and I'm with the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
> in Northern California, which is celebrating our 60th anniversary.
>
> As you may remember a few years ago, I encouraged members of our club to
> drive their Triumphs on February 10th, to celebrate Sir John Black's
> Birthday, the man who organized Standard's purchase of Triumph after the war,
> and went on to?make the cars we enjoy driving today.
>
> The first year about half a dozen members participated, and it?s been
> building momentum every year since. Last year I received about 250 photos
> from all over the world: Scotland, Ireland, the UK, New Zealand, Australia,
> South Africa, Uruguay, Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland, Canada, Holland,
> Czech Republic, and of course all over the USA.? I?m hoping to double that
> number this year!
>
> The concept is straightforward. On February 10th, go for a drive in your
> Triumph.? Take a scenic drive on a country road or out to lunch, to the
> market, to work, where ever. Go for a drive alone or in a big group from your
> local Triumph Club. Take your spouse, buddy, child, grandchild or your dog;
> then take a photo. The photo is mainly of the car, and the owner if possible,
> ideally in front a cool spot, landmark, scenic view or in your driveway. If
> it?s the middle of the winter where you live and your car is in hibernation,
> or in the middle of a restoration, take a photo of it anyway.
>
> Next step is to email a high-resolution photo to
> driveyourtriumphday@gmail.com, along with some basic information: owner?s
> name, year and model of car, and place photo was taken (city, state,
> country). The photos will then be published not only in our club newsletter,
> but also in USA?s national magazine: Vintage Triumph Registry, and on the
> Drive Your Triumph Day website: https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com
>
> This year February 10th falls on a Sunday, so lets make this a big worldwide
> event with club drives and lots of photos.? Remember, it?s a new photo taken
> on February 10th, 2019.
>
> Please feel free to send this on to other Triumph Clubs you may know of, and
> your club Activities Chairman and Newsletter editor. Last year a few Standard
> Clubs joined in too, which is all good.
>
> Be sure to contact me with any questions you may have, and thank you in
> advance for getting the message out to your members and friends to Drive
> Their Triumphs on February 10th.
>
> Regards,
> Rye Livingston
> Activities Chairman
> Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
> Celebrating our 60th Anniversary
> 1960 Triumph TR3A
> Mobile: 530-FIND-RYE
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> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 16:01:57 -0800
> From: Sujit Roy<triumphstag@gmail.com>
> To: TERRY SMITH<terryrs@comcast.net>
> Cc: Triumphs<triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Brake fluid for Triumph
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> Thanks. I'll stick with the new black bottle for my current stag. But for
> Stag no. 2 which needs brakes seals all round I'll go for DOT 5
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018, 2:48 PM TERRY SMITH<terryrs@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
>> Amen to that, Jeff.
>>
>> On November 29, 2018 at 8:10 AM Jeff Scarbrough<fishplate@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:47 AM Randall< TR3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> So I'd have to say that "best practice" is probably to replace the seals
>> at
>> the same time.
>>
>>
>> I recognize a case of shipwright's disease when I see it, but since I
>> have more than one car and am not greatly inconvenienced when one is
>> partially disassembled on stands in the garage; yet I am greatly
>> inconvenienced when the one I am driving is lying inert in the tall grass
>> on the side of the road, I tend to go in and completely repair a system
>> when a part of it needs attention. If I'm going to replace the wheel
>> cylinders, I'll replace/upgrade the hoses, and consider the calipers and
>> master as well. If I'm changing one radiator hose, I'll go ahead and
>> replace all the radiator and heater hoses, and do a complete flush with the
>> radiator out. Et cetera. Saves a lot of sitting and waiting for the
>> flatbed.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Scarbrough
>> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
>> ** triumphs@autox.team.net **
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> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 23:00:54 -0500
> From:<glemon@neb.rr.com>
> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Brake fluid for Triumph
> Message-ID:<20181130040054.3Z2Z3.138821.root@cdptpa-web26>
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>
> I used Castrol LMA for years and seemed like every year or so, sometimes
> more, sometimes less, some master or slave cylinder would fail. I didn't
> really keep track of the timeframe, but seemed like a very regular basis,
> often a rear wheel cylinder.
>
> Sometime ago I switched to Dot 5, actually bought a car that had it. After
> sometime (nearly 20 years of ownership) it dawned on me that I hardly ever
> had any problems with hydraulics anymore. I was a firm believer in the
> benefits of Dot 5.
>
> Chapter 3-Last year my relatively new (7 years from the restoration, which is
> some time, but I was getting used to having so few problems it still
> surprised me) brake master cylinder quit, followed by a leaky clutch master.
> Inspection of the brake master shows corrossion at the bottom of the bore, as
> if water had settled there.
>
> So Dot 5 seems to work well with hydraulics, but even though it does not
> absorb water, if water gets into the system, which apparently it can, it can
> do as much or more damage than it can in coventional fluid.
>
> My fault for not flushing the fluid more often, but a little unsure if a
> flush would get lingering fluid out of the bottom of the bore (vs. a
> conventional flush which will displace fluid with x %age of water with new
> fluid with< x %age of water, thereby lowering water in the system and making
> your fluid good again).
>
> YMMV, everybody seems to have different stories and experience with brake
> fluid, but that has been mine.
>
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
>
> ---- ptegler@verizon.net wrote:
>
>> ..the only negative I've ever encountered with Dot 5 in our old cars is it
>> does not lubricate the rubber as well as older fluids.
>> Synth and natural rubber also react differently ...as with everything with
>> LBC's... ? ymmv
>>
>> ptegler
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TERRY SMITH<terryrs@comcast.net>
>> To: Randall<TR3driver@ca.rr.com>; Sujit Roy<triumphstag@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Triumphs<triumphs@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 11:07 am
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Brake fluid for Triumph
>>
>> When restoring my 3A in 2002, while the body was off the frame I replaced
>> all the brake lines and hydraulic cylinders.? I learned about Dot 5 silicone
>> based fluid from the List then and went with it. After 15 years of driving,
>> the same brake system remains rock solid plus I never blistered paint with
>> the occasional spill.? Doesn't silicone wear easier on rubber seals?
>>
>> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A? TS 58667
>> New Hampshire, where early snows have sent both bears and Triumphs off to
>> the Land of Nod
>>
>>
>>
>>> On November 28, 2018 at 7:58 PM Randall<TR3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Can I use DOT 5 in the Stag? Do I need to flush out the
>>>> current DOT 3/ 4?
>>>>
>>> Both of my Stags have DOT 5 in them.? LE1473 was converted just by bleeding
>>> through at each corner until clean purple fluid appeared.? The other one
>>> (dubbed Frankenstag because it appears to be parts from at least 3 different
>>> cars) had a failed MC and stuck rear wheel cylinders when I got it, so those
>>> were repaired at the same time.
>>>
>>> However, LE1473 already had what seemed to be a minor master cylinder
>>> problem before the conversion (pedal would sometimes drop towards floor
>>> while sitting at a stop light), and it suddenly got a whole lot worse not
>>> long after the conversion (no hydraulic brakes at all).? (I also learned
>>> that the back brakes on a Stag are more prone to fade than a TR3.)
>>> Post-mortem showed both MC piston seals torn, and approximately the
>>> consistency of Gummi Bears.
>>>
>>> So I'd have to say that "best practice" is probably to replace the seals at
>>> the same time.
>>>
>>> Randall
>>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 23:27:47 +1300
> From: Alan& Lyn Dunscombe<dunscomb@chch.planet.org.nz>
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil pump re-assembly 4 cyl. TR motor
> Message-ID:<5C0110A3.5060107@chch.planet.org.nz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>
> I am about to disassemble my oil pump on 4 cyl. TR3 motor,& replace the
> oil pump cap (with gauze filter) on to the bottom of the pump body.
>
> When I fit the new oil pump cap to the pump body:
> is there a gasket to go there? ( I don't think there is, but just checking)
> do I use any sealer between the cap& body?
>
> what torque for the bolts holding it on?
>
>
> Randall can you advise? anyone?
>
> thanks
>
> Alan Dunscombe TS 3612
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:21:56 +0000 (UTC)
> From: DAVID MASSEY<dave1massey@cs.com>
> To: triumphstag@gmail.com, terryrs@comcast.net
> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Brake fluid for Triumph
> Message-ID:<765522458.254028.1543584116040@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Moss and TRF sell a handy sticker indicating that the car is converted to
> DOT5.? Others have them, too, I suppose.? I recommend one of these just to
> keep everyone in the loop.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy<triumphstag@gmail.com>
> To: TERRY SMITH<terryrs@comcast.net>
> Cc: Triumphs<triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 12:03 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] Brake fluid for Triumph
>
> Thanks. I'll stick with the new black bottle for my current stag. But for
> Stag no. 2 which needs brakes seals all round I'll go for DOT 5
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018, 2:48 PM TERRY SMITH<terryrs@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Amen to that, Jeff.
>
> On November 29, 2018 at 8:10 AM Jeff Scarbrough<fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:47 AM Randall< TR3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> So I'd have to say that "best practice" is probably to replace the seals at
> the same time.
>
> ?I recognize a case of shipwright's disease when I see it, but since I have
> more than one car and am not greatly inconvenienced when one is partially
> disassembled on stands in the garage; yet I am greatly inconvenienced when
> the one I am driving is lying inert in the tall grass on the side of the
> road, I tend to go in and completely repair a system when a part of it needs
> attention.? If I'm going to replace the wheel cylinders, I'll replace/upgrade
> the hoses, and consider the calipers and master as well.? If I'm changing one
> radiator hose, I'll go ahead and replace all the radiator and heater hoses,
> and do a complete flush with the radiator out.? Et cetera.? Saves a lot of
> sitting and waiting for the flatbed.
>
> Jeff ScarbroughCorrosion Acres, Ga.?
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:41:10 +0000 (UTC)
> From: DAVID MASSEY<dave1massey@cs.com>
> To: ryel@mac.com, triumphs@autox.team.net
> Cc: rangermk@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day - Feb 10, 2019
> Message-ID:<3041847.254145.1543585270348@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Coincidentally, the St. Louis Triumph Owner's Association will be holding
> our annual Polar Bear Run on that day.? Barring a weather fiasco we should be
> able to provide quite a number of suitable photos.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rye Livingston<ryel@mac.com>
> To: Triumph list Team.net<triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 11:10 pm
> Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day - Feb 10, 2019
>
> Dear Fellow Triumph Owner,
> It?s time to make plans for Drive Your Triumph Day, February 10, 2019.
> My name is Rye Livingston and I'm with the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
> in Northern California, which is celebrating our 60th anniversary.
> As you may remember a few years ago, I encouraged members of our club to
> drive their Triumphs on February 10th, to celebrate Sir John Black's
> Birthday, the man who organized Standard's purchase of Triumph after the war,
> and went on to?make the cars we enjoy driving today.
> The first year about half a dozen members participated, and it?s been
> building momentum every year since. Last year I received about 250 photos
> from all over the world: Scotland, Ireland, the UK, New Zealand, Australia,
> South Africa, Uruguay, Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland, Canada, Holland,
> Czech Republic, and of course all over the USA.? I?m hoping to double that
> number this year!
> The concept is straightforward. On February 10th, go for a drive in your
> Triumph.? Take a scenic drive on a country road or out to lunch, to the
> market, to work, where ever. Go for a drive alone or in a big group from your
> local Triumph Club. Take your spouse, buddy, child, grandchild or your dog;
> then take a photo. The photo is mainly of the car, and the owner if possible,
> ideally in front a cool spot, landmark, scenic view or in your driveway. If
> it?s the middle of the winter where you live and your car is in hibernation,
> or in the middle of a restoration, take a photo of it anyway.
> Next step is to email a high-resolution photo to
> driveyourtriumphday@gmail.com, along with some basic information: owner?s
> name, year and model of car, and place photo was taken (city, state,
> country). The photos will then be published not only in our club newsletter,
> but also in USA?s national magazine: Vintage Triumph Registry, and on the
> Drive Your Triumph Day website: https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com
> This year February 10th falls on a Sunday, so lets make this a big worldwide
> event with club drives and lots of photos.? Remember, it?s a new photo taken
> on February 10th, 2019.
> Please feel free to send this on to other Triumph Clubs you may know of, and
> your club Activities Chairman and Newsletter editor. Last year a few Standard
> Clubs joined in too, which is all good.
> Be sure to contact me with any questions you may have, and thank you in
> advance for getting the message out to your members and friends to Drive
> Their Triumphs on February 10th.
> Regards,Rye LivingstonActivities ChairmanTriumph Travelers Sports Car
> ClubCelebrating our 60th Anniversary1960 Triumph TR3AMobile: 530-FIND-RYE
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 06:04:15 -0800
> From: "Randall"<TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
> To: "'Dave'"<dlhogye@comcast.net>, "'Andrew Uprichard'"
> <auprichard@uprichard.net>
> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR cylinder heads
> Message-ID:<E6A376F4B9BD40F393B40A03900FA617@RYPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>> Does anyone have anything to add about the information I
>> provided about a what looks like a 5th casting for 4 cylinder
>> TRs? I hope the message came through with the attached photos.
>> Dave H.
>>
>>
> Perhaps I am confused. The information you supplied seems to match the
> information TeriAnn has listed for (some?) TR3B through CT21470E TR4. P/N
> 511084 is listed in the SPC as being a cylinder head (less valves and
> springs) for TR4 through CT21470E. It takes the same exhaust valves as
> earlier TRs, with the 3/8" stem rather than the 5/16" stem used later on.
> The SPC I have is not explicit about the change from triple exhaust springs
> to double; but it's my belief that it happened around the same time as the
> change in exhaust stem diameter.
>
> The book says the later double springs can be fitted, but is somewhat
> confusing on the topic of "collars", since the same term is used both for
> the spacer that goes under the triple springs, and for what I call the
> "retainer" that goes above the spring. I believe the sets with double
> exhaust springs take a different retainer (142137 vs 105083) for both intake
> and exhaust; and should be used without the spacer (108242). Both inner and
> outer springs have different part numbers between the two sets, and I
> believe the dimensions are different.
>
> It also mentions the "conversion" guides to use the 5/16" exhaust valves in
> the earlier heads. The earlier heads actually have a larger hole for the
> exhaust guide, so these conversion guides are thicker to fill the larger
> hole.
>
> -- Randall
> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 09:41:56 -0500 (EST)
> From: TERRY SMITH<terryrs@comcast.net>
> To: Alan& Lyn Dunscombe<dunscomb@chch.planet.org.nz>,
> triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil pump re-assembly 4 cyl. TR motor
> Message-ID:<450055189.214820.1543588917221@connect.xfinity.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi, Alan. I didn't think so but couldn't remember for sure, so just did a
> quick check on the Moss Motors engine parts breakout. The pump itself has a
> gasket, but the joint for the cap and the pump body does not.
>
>
>> On November 30, 2018 at 5:27 AM Alan& Lyn
>> Dunscombe<dunscomb@chch.planet.org.nz> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am about to disassemble my oil pump on 4 cyl. TR3 motor,& replace
>> the oil pump cap (with gauze filter) on to the bottom of the pump body.
>>
>>
>>
>> When I fit the new oil pump cap to the pump body:
>> is there a gasket to go there? ( I don't think there is, but just
>> checking)
>> do I use any sealer between the cap& body?
>>
>> what torque for the bolts holding it on?
>>
>>
>> Randall can you advise? anyone?
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Alan Dunscombe TS 3612
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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>>
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> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 07:03:08 -0800
> From: "Randall"<TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
> To: "'Alan& Lyn Dunscombe'"<dunscomb@chch.planet.org.nz>,
> <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil pump re-assembly 4 cyl. TR motor
> Message-ID:<C335DA43E068468DAEE1923DB27C7A8F@RYPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>> When I fit the new oil pump cap to the pump body:
>> is there a gasket to go there? ( I don't think there is, but
>> just checking) do I use any sealer between the cap& body?
>> what torque for the bolts holding it on?
>>
> No gasket, I don't use any sealer. Do check that the surfaces are perfectly
> flat, though. Sometimes even new components aren't.
>
> I think 12 ftlbs is a reasonable torque value; but I don't have a factory
> spec.
>
> Also double-check how the rotor is secured to the shaft. There should be a
> pin visible; but some aftermarket pumps have the rotor pressed onto a
> knurled shaft. The knurls have been known to fail in service and create a
> mess (in addition to the sudden loss of oil pressure).
>
> -- Randall
> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 10:37:13 -0500
> From: "Dave Connitt"<dconnitt@fuse.net>
> To: "'Rye Livingston'"<ryel@mac.com>, "'Triumph list Team.net'"
> <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day - Feb 10, 2019
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> What a great idea!
>
> Dave Connitt
>
> ?67 TR4A-IRS
>
>
>
> From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 6:31 PM
> To: Triumph list Team.net<triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day - Feb 10, 2019
>
>
>
> Dear Fellow Triumph Owner,
>
>
>
>
>
> It?s time to make plans for Drive Your Triumph Day, February 10, 2019.
>
>
>
>
>
> My name is Rye Livingston and I'm with the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
> in Northern California, which is celebrating our 60th anniversary.
>
>
>
>
>
> As you may remember a few years ago, I encouraged members of our club to
> drive their Triumphs on February 10th, to celebrate Sir John Black's
> Birthday, the man who organized Standard's purchase of Triumph after the war,
> and went on to make the cars we enjoy driving today.
>
>
>
>
>
> The first year about half a dozen members participated, and it?s been
> building momentum every year since. Last year I received about 250 photos
> from all over the world: Scotland, Ireland, the UK, New Zealand, Australia,
> South Africa, Uruguay, Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland, Canada, Holland,
> Czech Republic, and of course all over the USA. I?m hoping to double that
> number this year!
>
>
>
>
>
> The concept is straightforward. On February 10th, go for a drive in your
> Triumph. Take a scenic drive on a country road or out to lunch, to the
> market, to work, where ever. Go for a drive alone or in a big group from your
> local Triumph Club. Take your spouse, buddy, child, grandchild or your dog;
> then take a photo. The photo is mainly of the car, and the owner if possible,
> ideally in front a cool spot, landmark, scenic view or in your driveway. If
> it?s the middle of the winter where you live and your car is in hibernation,
> or in the middle of a restoration, take a photo of it anyway.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This year February 10th falls on a Sunday, so lets make this a big worldwide
> event with club drives and lots of photos. Remember, it?s a new photo taken
> on February 10th, 2019.
>
>
>
>
>
> Please feel free to send this on to other Triumph Clubs you may know of, and
> your club Activities Chairman and Newsletter editor. Last year a few Standard
> Clubs joined in too, which is all good.
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to contact me with any questions you may have, and thank you in
> advance for getting the message out to your members and friends to Drive
> Their Triumphs on February 10th.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rye Livingston
>
> Activities Chairman
>
> Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
>
> Celebrating our 60th Anniversary
>
> 1960 Triumph TR3A
>
> Mobile: 530-FIND-RYE
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 07:54:22 -0800 (PST)
> From: DAVE HOGYE<dlhogye@comcast.net>
> To: Randall<TR3driver@ca.rr.com>, Andrew Uprichard
> <auprichard@uprichard.net>
> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR cylinder heads
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> Ah yes, I understand. The head was the same "casting" as the TR4A head, but
> have machining for the exhaust valve stem and intake port that match the
> earlier high port heads.
> Thanks, Dave H.
>
>> On November 30, 2018 at 6:04 AM Randall<TR3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone have anything to add about the information I
>>> provided about a what looks like a 5th casting for 4 cylinder
>>> TRs? I hope the message came through with the attached photos.
>>> Dave H.
>>>
>>>
>> Perhaps I am confused. The information you supplied seems to match the
>> information TeriAnn has listed for (some?) TR3B through CT21470E TR4. P/N
>> 511084 is listed in the SPC as being a cylinder head (less valves and
>> springs) for TR4 through CT21470E. It takes the same exhaust valves as
>> earlier TRs, with the 3/8" stem rather than the 5/16" stem used later on.
>> The SPC I have is not explicit about the change from triple exhaust springs
>> to double; but it's my belief that it happened around the same time as the
>> change in exhaust stem diameter.
>>
>> The book says the later double springs can be fitted, but is somewhat
>> confusing on the topic of "collars", since the same term is used both for
>> the spacer that goes under the triple springs, and for what I call the
>> "retainer" that goes above the spring. I believe the sets with double
>> exhaust springs take a different retainer (142137 vs 105083) for both intake
>> and exhaust; and should be used without the spacer (108242). Both inner and
>> outer springs have different part numbers between the two sets, and I
>> believe the dimensions are different.
>>
>> It also mentions the "conversion" guides to use the 5/16" exhaust valves in
>> the earlier heads. The earlier heads actually have a larger hole for the
>> exhaust guide, so these conversion guides are thicker to fill the larger
>> hole.
>>
>> -- Randall
>> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
>> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
>> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:09:23 -0500
> From: "Andrew Uprichard"<auprichard@uprichard.net>
> To: "'Randall'"<TR3driver@ca.rr.com>, "'Alan& Lyn Dunscombe'"
> <dunscomb@chch.planet.org.nz>,<triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil pump re-assembly 4 cyl. TR motor
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> One additional point. I once rebuilt an engine, but couldn't get good oil
> pressure. As I had re-used the original oil pump, I pulled the sump to see
> if the problem was a faulty oil pump. It was then I realized I had not used
> the gasket between the pump and the block. Significant oil must haven
> leaking there as a gasket solved the problem.
>
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 10:03 AM
> To: 'Alan& Lyn Dunscombe'; triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil pump re-assembly 4 cyl. TR motor
>
>
>> When I fit the new oil pump cap to the pump body:
>> is there a gasket to go there? ( I don't think there is, but
>> just checking) do I use any sealer between the cap& body?
>> what torque for the bolts holding it on?
>>
> No gasket, I don't use any sealer. Do check that the surfaces are perfectly
> flat, though. Sometimes even new components aren't.
>
> I think 12 ftlbs is a reasonable torque value; but I don't have a factory
> spec.
>
> Also double-check how the rotor is secured to the shaft. There should be a
> pin visible; but some aftermarket pumps have the rotor pressed onto a
> knurled shaft. The knurls have been known to fail in service and create a
> mess (in addition to the sudden loss of oil pressure).
>
> -- Randall
> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild
>
> ** triumphs@autox.team.net **
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:18:05 -0500
> From: "Jerry Van Vlack"<jerryvv@roadrunner.com>
> To: "Alan& Lyn Dunscombe"<dunscomb@chch.planet.org.nz>,
> <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil pump re-assembly 4 cyl. TR motor
> Message-ID:<E840F52B61154E66B45CF146FC349DA2@VlackTK121647>
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>
> Alan, I?m not sure I understand what you are doing to your oil pump, however
> I suggest you remove all of the scores you?ll find on that cap. A flat
> surface is best ( I use a piece of glass ) and some emery cloth with lots of
> oil. Work the scored surface back and forth with even pressure adding oil as
> needed until you?ve worked all of the scores out of the surface. You can
> start with coarse emery and finer once the deep scores are removed. Check all
> the clearances and if replacing the internals be certain the gear is pinned
> to the shaft as there have been failures of replacement pumps. Frankly try to
> reuse your original pump internals. It doesn't seem possible that oil
> pressure can be lost via those scores in the bottom plate but from experience
> loss does occur there.
>
> I?m not familiar with a replacement gauze ?filter? screen but think it may
> not be a good idea, the screen does a fine job and the oil filter does the
> rest.
>
> JVV
>
> From: Alan& Lyn Dunscombe
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 5:27 AM
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil pump re-assembly 4 cyl. TR motor
>
> I am about to disassemble my oil pump on 4 cyl. TR3 motor,& replace the oil
> pump cap (with gauze filter) on to the bottom of the pump body.
>
>
>
> When I fit the new oil pump cap to the pump body:
> is there a gasket to go there? ( I don't think there is, but just checking)
> do I use any sealer between the cap& body?
>
> what torque for the bolts holding it on?
>
>
>
> Randall can you advise? anyone?
>
>
>
>
> thanks
>
> Alan Dunscombe TS 3612
>
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:21:42 GMT
> From: Rye Livingston<ryel@mac.com>
> To: DAVID MASSEY<dave1massey@cs.com>
> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, rangermk@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day - Feb 10, 2019
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> Excellent!
>
> Rye
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2018, at 05:41 AM, DAVID MASSEY<dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
>
> Coincidentally, the St. Louis Triumph Owner's Association will be holding our
> annual Polar Bear Run on that day.? Barring a weather fiasco we should be
> able to provide quite a number of suitable photos.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rye Livingston<ryel@mac.com>
> To: Triumph list Team.net<triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 11:10 pm
> Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day - Feb 10, 2019
>
> Dear Fellow Triumph Owner,
>
> It?s time to make plans for Drive Your Triumph Day, February 10, 2019.
>
> My name is Rye Livingston and I'm with the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
> in Northern California, which is celebrating our 60th anniversary.
>
> As you may remember a few years ago, I encouraged members of our club to
> drive their Triumphs on February 10th, to celebrate Sir John Black's
> Birthday, the man who organized Standard's purchase of Triumph after the war,
> and went on to?make the cars we enjoy driving today.
>
> The first year about half a dozen members participated, and it?s been
> building momentum every year since. Last year I received about 250 photos
> from all over the world: Scotland, Ireland, the UK, New Zealand, Australia,
> South Africa, Uruguay, Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland, Canada, Holland,
> Czech Republic, and of course all over the USA.? I?m hoping to double that
> number this year!
>
> The concept is straightforward. On February 10th, go for a drive in your
> Triumph.? Take a scenic drive on a country road or out to lunch, to the
> market, to work, where ever. Go for a drive alone or in a big group from your
> local Triumph Club. Take your spouse, buddy, child, grandchild or your dog;
> then take a photo. The photo is mainly of the car, and the owner if possible,
> ideally in front a cool spot, landmark, scenic view or in your driveway. If
> it?s the middle of the winter where you live and your car is in hibernation,
> or in the middle of a restoration, take a photo of it anyway.
>
> Next step is to email a high-resolution photo to
> driveyourtriumphday@gmail.com, along with some basic information: owner?s
> name, year and model of car, and place photo was taken (city, state,
> country). The photos will then be published not only in our club newsletter,
> but also in USA?s national magazine: Vintage Triumph Registry, and on the
> Drive Your Triumph Day website: https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com
>
> This year February 10th falls on a Sunday, so lets make this a big worldwide
> event with club drives and lots of photos.? Remember, it?s a new photo taken
> on February 10th, 2019.
>
> Please feel free to send this on to other Triumph Clubs you may know of, and
> your club Activities Chairman and Newsletter editor. Last year a few Standard
> Clubs joined in too, which is all good.
>
> Be sure to contact me with any questions you may have, and thank you in
> advance for getting the message out to your members and friends to Drive
> Their Triumphs on February 10th.
>
> Regards,
> Rye Livingston
> Activities Chairman
> Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
> Celebrating our 60th Anniversary
> 1960 Triumph TR3A
> Mobile: 530-FIND-RYE
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> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 17:15:52 -0000
> From: "John Macartney"<john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk>
> To: "'Randall'"<TR3driver@ca.rr.com>, "'Dave'"<dlhogye@comcast.net>,
> "'Andrew Uprichard'"<auprichard@uprichard.net>
> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR cylinder heads
> Message-ID:<000001d488d0$59cd7840$0d6868c0$@ukpips.org.uk>
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>
> I wasn't able to pick up on this thread owing to other pressures. I'm
> assuming the thread refers to an earlier post where someone queried the
> existence of a number on a wet liner four pot? If I'm looking at the same
> hymn sheet, these raised numbers cast in the head are usually found in the
> middle-ish of the head adjacent to the valves and are not an alternative
> part number, nor will you find them in any parts catalogue. You can see the
> raised number on a little plinth which is visible underneath the rocker
> arms. I know from more recent experiences with the six cylinder engine that
> this same 'number' is about adjacent to valve stem three and/or four. The
> same may apply to the four pot. That number is not a part number per se but
> an engineering reference number for use in production - and no other
> purpose! If I had been a Wise Virgin some fifty or more years ago and kept
> my engineering change reference guides, I'd be able to tell you chapter and
> verse on any head produced by the company for any market from 1946 to 1973.
> However, long, long before the days of the internet, I looked at those
> numbers in their manual and wondered "who on earth would ever want these?"
> and they went in the trash. Sorry, everyone!
> For those of you who have the 2.5 litre six cylinder, bear these two numbers
> in mind - 219015 and/or 219016.
> These identify the very last head ever re-worked for that engine and it is
> by far the best head in terms of porting, port diameter, gas flow and swirl
> within the combustion chamber. AFAIK, it was never fitted to North American
> cars as they had lower CR's from 1971 onwards but if anyone is ever in the
> UK or Europe and at a Triumph parts fair and you see one available that's
> undamaged, GRAB it! Not many enthusiasts realise the true worth of this head
> and I fitted one to my 2.5 injection saloon and the performance improvement
> was amazing.
>
> Jonmac
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Randall
> Sent: 30 November 2018 14:04
> To: 'Dave'<dlhogye@comcast.net>; 'Andrew Uprichard'
> <auprichard@uprichard.net>
> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR cylinder heads
>
>
>> Does anyone have anything to add about the information I provided
>> about a what looks like a 5th casting for 4 cylinder TRs? I hope the
>> message came through with the attached photos.
>> Dave H.
>>
>>
> Perhaps I am confused. The information you supplied seems to match the
> information TeriAnn has listed for (some?) TR3B through CT21470E TR4. P/N
> 511084 is listed in the SPC as being a cylinder head (less valves and
> springs) for TR4 through CT21470E. It takes the same exhaust valves as
> earlier TRs, with the 3/8" stem rather than the 5/16" stem used later on.
> The SPC I have is not explicit about the change from triple exhaust springs
> to double; but it's my belief that it happened around the same time as the
> change in exhaust stem diameter.
>
> The book says the later double springs can be fitted, but is somewhat
> confusing on the topic of "collars", since the same term is used both for
> the spacer that goes under the triple springs, and for what I call the
> "retainer" that goes above the spring. I believe the sets with double
> exhaust springs take a different retainer (142137 vs 105083) for both intake
> and exhaust; and should be used without the spacer (108242). Both inner and
> outer springs have different part numbers between the two sets, and I
> believe the dimensions are different.
>
> It also mentions the "conversion" guides to use the 5/16" exhaust valves in
> the earlier heads. The earlier heads actually have a larger hole for the
> exhaust guide, so these conversion guides are thicker to fill the larger
> hole.
>
> -- Randall
> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild
>
>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 09:38:41 -0800
> From: Sujit Roy<triumphstag@gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs<triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Who owns buckeyetriumps.org
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> I always go this this great website for Triumph help. I wonder who owns and
> maintains it?
> I'm assuming the owners renew the domain name every year.
>
> I'd hate for it to be lost.
>
> Sujit
>
>
>
>
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